Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11391 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 16:47:25 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 16:47:25 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 6533 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2002 16:47:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Mar 2002 16:47:22 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16lw94-0007Bh-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:09:38 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16lw93-0007Bc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:09:37 +0000 Received: from gemini ([147.197.200.44] helo=gemini.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16luc9-0005RE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:31:33 +0000 Received: from [147.197.232.252] (helo=rsch-15.herts.ac.uk) by gemini.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16luc7-0007Q1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:31:32 +0000 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020315154947.00ad4900@gemini.herts.ac.uk> X-Sender: mj9ar@gemini.herts.ac.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:21:39 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "James Moritz" Subject: Re: LF: loops In-reply-to: <3C921300.3046CA7C@netscapeonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Mal, LF group A couple of suggestions to try with your loop: ...My loop parallel resonated on 136 khz gives about the same signal/noise as the vertical, no discernable difference on RX... This is not surprising in a quiet location, since the band noise will define the SNR with any reasonable antenna - but the really interesting experiment to try would be to compare efficiencies using the strength of received signals, first with the loop, and second with the same antenna set up as a vertical, ie. with one vertical leg and the bottom leg removed. The vertical could be tuned with a small loading coil for receive only, wound on a pot core for example. DCF39 could be used as a reference signal, and your SPM12 would be ideal for comparing the sig levels. ...If I had a truck load of high grade components, megawatt rated insulators, capacitors and toroids I would be tempted to try Transmitting... -But you could try some QRP tests without going to all the trouble of the full power version. If you really do not want to transmit at all, measuring the impedance (particularly the resistive component) of the tuned loop with a bridge would be a very interesting result, especially if it was done at several different frequencies. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU