Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1C4DE3800009C; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 02:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SpDKn-0004QT-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:57:09 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SpDKn-0004QK-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:57:09 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SpDKl-0007Py-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:57:08 +0100 Received: by eaaa12 with SMTP id a12so1046773eaa.16 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:57:05 -0700 (PDT) X-DKIM-Result: Domain=gmail.com Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RqHZ/G/bBXHZDY+XI73hmoHnmm6xAErwDBYvXYIRXCM=; b=cTZ6c83ptDvTXhW+0J1B49VBQZ8IuAckLQw4f7Z8eUeB0I+p2rDhGmJLY8RFuPWg5r KeRi2pEUT/xh2orAVgge+mnUcZBGHtPr9qHDzQWH7NQDXFU7ro/r4uwb99lMw+0RQ7If X+W9hIV4j6mPaT9vdmCGdM+iMS2SWojMdinDMANkoyKYXqX9bG+La4ITdMEELQdPIClY D6b9orCyWr965hPv5dwvZ/2qI7xzYRHv5YnA8KA0ES06SN7mGFIUISzFhvvK9LRUmerv F6k4KK/YTrOcYextGX8Rt1PLBikaDi0Ljeeu0aJPFTGKtaOaT9lZqV3Q4VlV9eW0G3q6 cCKw== Received: by 10.14.95.67 with SMTP id o43mr12654368eef.13.1342076225479; Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.21.4] ([87.114.176.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z16sm12385547eef.16.2012.07.11.23.57.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4FFE753D.4060507@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 06:57:01 +0000 From: John P-G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120312 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <40D4E1CC8E5C4EA792D66021C8193065@shack5a65be54f> <2A29D5AB529D4ABB94CC9B0F27267113@AGB> <4FFE0625.6060806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4FFE0625.6060806@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Stefan, LF 01:47 477 DK7FC Op4 +0 dB Best spot of the night, 0dB [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.215.171 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gm4slv[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 64a43ebf6189d3fbac7adf77f3718769 Subject: Re: RE : LF: Opera QRP test on 477 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:446658464:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d279.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600b4ffe759c083f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Stefan, LF 01:47 477 DK7FC Op4 +0 dB Best spot of the night, 0dB I notice that today the spots ceased around sunrise - no residual groundwave at this power level. As for "hearing" - I don't know. A few years ago (September 2007) Finbar EI0CF and I did some QRPp tests on 501kHz using CW and I managed to read a 4-figure group he sent with TX power of 100mW. I think we may have done some more tests at lower power, but I can't find the details at the moment. I generally find, on HF as well as MF, that my WSPR reports are 10dB better, or I need 10dB more power to get equivalent reports, between myself and other stations. I assume this is due to a low local noise floor. I've done some 5MHz Olivia operation over the last few months, and found similar results, even with stations in "rural" locations. Summertime isn't the best for weak signal work on MF due to the QRN, and the long daylight period at this latitude, but I've had some good results, even in summertime, which is why I thought I'd put a grabber up now, to see what's possible. My Perseus is currently showing a noise floor of -120dBm in the marekr's 122Hz RBW, or -104dBm in the 8.8kHz demodulator RBW. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3551430/gm4slv_mf_noisefloor.JPG This is around -140dBm/Hz, between QRN bursts. I imagine this is rather lower than most MF stations experience. I hope to be in a position to transmit on 502kHz soon, but other commitments are delaying my progress at resurrecting my MF TX. Cheers, John GM4SLV On 11/07/2012 23:03, Stefan Schäfer wrote: > John/GM4SLV, MF > > You must have a superior receive system and location! > I just got -8 dB from you and i have only 1 W transmitter power here. > Can you even hear me at this level? > Maybe i should connect the VFO without the PA, in series with a 1k pot > to adjust to 100 mW and 10 mW TX power? :-) It works like on 40m... > > 73, Stefan/DK7FC >