Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CD17F38000088; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SGHgJ-0005xD-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 23:30:59 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SGHgI-0005wy-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 23:30:58 +0100 Received: from eterpe-smout.broadpark.no ([80.202.8.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SGHgH-0004Yw-2U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 23:30:58 +0100 Received: from ignis-smin.broadpark.no ([80.202.8.11]) by eterpe-smout.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with ESMTP id <0M220085JX7FF690@eterpe-smout.broadpark.no> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:30:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.2.7] ([80.212.22.97]) by ignis-smin.broadpark.no (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u3-15.01 64bit (built Feb 12 2010)) with ESMTPA id <0M22000LQX7BTKA0@ignis-smin.broadpark.no> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:30:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 00:34:01 +0200 From: Steinar Aanesland In-reply-to: <8CEE2325A1D7D4B-1A14-17470@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <4F7F6F59.9030305@broadpark.no> MIME-version: 1.0 References: <8CEE2325A1D7D4B-1A14-17470@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: VLF: Fwd: question about MFSK-37 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:339679104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064f7f6ecc5d4f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks for your answer Markus :) la5vna S Den 06.04.2012 19:32, skrev Markus Vester: > Hi Steinar, LF, >=20 > for an explanation, please see my mail to Alex RN3AUS. >=20 > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) >=20 >=20 > Von: Steinar Aanesland > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Fr, 6 Apr 2012 4:22 pm > Betreff: Re: VLF: DF6NM 8970.00x > Hi > >> I am not familiar with this MFSK-37 mode . Where can I find some info about it? > LA5VNA Steinar > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Markus Vester > An: Alex K > Cc: Stefan Sch=E4fer ; lubomir.bobalik > Verschickt: Sa, 24 Mrz 2012 8:28 am > Betreff: Re: question about MFSK-37 > Hi Alex, >=20 > my version of MFSK is no real "digimode", it's just a simple allocation of TX frequencies to the numbers and letters of the alphab= et. I am now using frequencies #0 to #9 for the numbers, #10 as idle or space, and #11 to #36 for the letters A-Z. Please note that since my first experiment I have exchanged idle and zero, and now have the low= est frequency as "0". >=20 > I have tried this at three different speeds, targeted at "6000", "6= 00" and "60" spectrograms. For easy readout I have chosen decimal frequen= cy steps (1 mHz, 10 mHz, 100 mHz), and transmit times associated with wh= ole UTC minutes (30, 5 and 1 minutes). >=20 > I have pasted my two earlier emails on the subject beneath yours. A= lso attached is a calculation of character error rate vs SNR, which shows the benefit of multifrequency MFSK (eg. "64 ch", pink curve) versus DFCW ("2 ch", red). It is even slightly better than conventional PSK (dashed black). >=20 > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) >=20 > From: Alex K > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:39 PM > To: Markus Vester > Subject: question about MFSK-37 > Hello dr Markus! > I now develop the control program for my new DDS-synthesizer. I wou= ld like to realize MFSK-37 mode for use on VLF and, probably, on LF (fas= ter variant). Could you inform me about the specification of this mode? > 73 de rn3aus/Alex >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Von: Markus Vester > An: rsgb_lf_group > Verschickt: Fr, 16 Mrz 2012 10:48 pm > Betreff: VLF: MFSK-37 tests above 8970 today >=20 > To explore the possibility of further two-way VLF contacts from my home antenna, I have conducted a test in MFSK-37 mode this morning. I was hoping to reach 0.42 mHz ("6000") grabbers using UT-synchronized half-hour dashes. Similar to an earlier kite experiment, I used absol= ute frequency encoding of characters in 1 mHz steps (0 =3D 8970.000, 1 = =3D 8970.001, ... 9 =3D 8970.009, idle =3D 8970.010, A =3D 8970.011, .. Z= =3D 8970.036 Hz). >=20 > The plan was to transmit my complete callsign in 2.5 hours between 8:00 and 10:30. Unfortunately DHO locking failed during the first two characters, which came out some 9 mHz low. Attached image shows what = was actually sent according to my "monitor", which is a high harmonic of = the transmitted VLF signal accidentally aliased into the LF TA window. >=20 > I was pleased to find all the dashes showing up clearly as bright d= ots on the OK2BVG "6000" grabber, and even left visible traces in his "60= 0" window. As I had also received Lubos' transmission last weekend with = a good margin in 0.48 mHz, a two-way QSO between us would probably be feasible within a few hours. >=20 > Paul Nicholson's 0.278 mHz super-sensitive spectrogram also shows t= he transmission at 120 degrees azimuth, even though the dashes were real= ly too short to reach full SNR in this bandwidth. >=20 > Results on the DK7C grabber were not quite as good, with only a sin= gle clear dot on .006 Hz. This may partly have been due to the previously experienced daytime minimum at our distance (180 km). Nothing distict= ive was visible at OE3GHB, who is at similar distance as OK2BVG, but seem= s to have suffered from a bit of local QRM at the time. >=20 > Again we find that a great deal is possible with very modest means.= .. >=20 > Best 73, > Markus (DF6NM) >=20 >