Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 9EEEF380000C7; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SFtbq-0000JX-FE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:48:46 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SFtbp-0000JO-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:48:45 +0100 Received: from out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.237]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SFtbn-0003QG-1b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:48:45 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBACQEfk9OlmIS/2dsb2JhbAANMAiCRrk9AQEBAQIBZxEGCwsJDwkWDwkDAgECAUUTBgIBAYgFukqLGoVABI4FmwI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,378,1330905600"; d="scan'208,217";a="386846366" Received: from host-78-150-98-18.as13285.net (HELO [192.168.2.4]) ([78.150.98.18]) by out1.ip01ir2.opaltelecom.net with ESMTP; 05 Apr 2012 21:48:36 +0100 Message-ID: <4F7E0523.6090602@talktalk.net> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:48:35 +0100 From: qrss User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <61127380364a4911bbb12ed0cac0de4b@kabelmail.de> In-Reply-To: <61127380364a4911bbb12ed0cac0de4b@kabelmail.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: castle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090202010103080105060203" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:416918688:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad34f7e05a27ee0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090202010103080105060203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe > thats the sence of the castle mode, Eddie. Yes that's fine for an 'E' or a 'T' but a figure is five different rising / falling frequencies which take five times longer. Can you transmit 5 different frequencies? How about making your own code Freq.1 = D, Freq.2 = J, Freq.3 = 8, Freq.4 = W, Freq.5 = X , 2 hours per symbol, gives your full call in 10 hours, just twice the time taken for Castle to send one figure at your 1Hour symbol time. It needs to be a locked frequency, a divider step, of course, this could be controlled by a PIC to release the computer. OK there has to be something wrong with this idea, someone blow it out of the water. 73 Eddie On 05/04/2012 18:25, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote: > > Hi Eddie, > > > would cut the time to send a letter or figure and allow longer symbol > time giving a chance of decoding < > > thats the sence of the castle mode, Eddie. > the only handicap here is the stnd alone generator because the shift > is too wide for VLF. > but I dont like to use a PC as beacon generator. > > seems I should tx in carrier mode agn (8970.022Hz). > > GL > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Gesendet: 05.04.2012 14:27 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: castle > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Hi Uwe > > I have seen some clusters of dots here but your symbol time is not > long enough to be sure. Castle is pretty difficult to follow on an R5 > signal at QRS3, Step is better, but I would say that, I developed it. > > If you are using multiple frequencies then surely the absolute coding > system used by Marcus is far superior and would cut the time to send a > letter or figure and allow longer symbol time giving a chance of > decoding here as opposed to zero. > > 73 Eddie > > > On 04/04/2012 14:55, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote: >> >> *Hi all,* >> >> ** >> >> *an hour or so ago the DJ8WX TX has been switched on.* >> >> *QRG: 8970.022Hz* >> >> *Mode: CASTLE* >> >> *Speed: 3600 (means one sign = one hour)* >> >> *Shift: 119mHz (sri, but I cant get it narrower programming an* >> >> * EEPROM AT90S2313-10PC)* >> >> *QRGs occupied: 8970.082Hz and 8969.963Hz.* >> >> *So it shows the letter:* >> >> ** >> >> *The TX will be on the air at least until tomorrow late afternoon* >> >> *when my XYL begins her garden work. * >> >> *Meanwhile she knows the PAs off-switch* >> >> *and she doesn’t hesitate using it disrespectful (when getting an >> electric shock).* >> >> *but today she is on shopping tour.* >> >> ** >> >> *GL* >> >> *Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv * >> >> > --------------090202010103080105060203 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe

thats the sence of the castle mode, Eddie.

Yes that's fine for an 'E' or a 'T' but a figure is five different rising / falling frequencies which take  five times longer.

Can you transmit 5 different frequencies? How about making your own code Freq.1 = D, Freq.2 = J, Freq.3 = 8, Freq.4 = W, Freq.5 = X , 2 hours per symbol, gives your full call in 10 hours, just twice the time taken for Castle to send one figure at your 1Hour symbol time.
It needs to be a locked frequency, a divider step, of course, this could be controlled by a PIC to release the computer.

OK there has to be something wrong with this idea, someone blow it out of the water.

73 Eddie

On 05/04/2012 18:25, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote:

Hi Eddie,

> would cut the time to send a letter or figure and allow longer symbol time giving a chance of decoding <

thats the sence of the castle mode, Eddie.
the only handicap here is the stnd alone generator because the shift is too wide for VLF.
but I dont like to use a PC as beacon generator.

seems I should tx in carrier mode agn (8970.022Hz).

GL
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Gesendet: 05.04.2012 14:27
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: castle

Hi Uwe

I have seen some clusters of dots here but your symbol time is not long enough to be sure. Castle is pretty difficult to follow on an R5 signal at QRS3, Step is better, but I would say that, I developed it.

If you are using multiple frequencies then surely the absolute coding system used by Marcus is far superior and would cut the time to send a letter or figure and allow longer symbol time giving a chance of decoding here as opposed to zero.

73 Eddie

 
On 04/04/2012 14:55, uwe-jannsen@kabelmail.de wrote:

Hi all,

 

an hour or so ago the DJ8WX TX has been switched on.

QRG: 8970.022Hz

Mode: CASTLE

Speed: 3600 (means one sign = one hour)

Shift: 119mHz (sri, but I cant get it narrower programming an

          EEPROM AT90S2313-10PC)

QRGs occupied: 8970.082Hz and 8969.963Hz.

So it shows the letter:

 

The TX will be on the air at least until tomorrow late afternoon

when my XYL begins her garden work.

Meanwhile she knows the PAs off-switch

and she doesn’t hesitate  using it disrespectful (when  getting an electric shock).

but today she is on shopping tour.

 

GL

Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv




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