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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:56:58 +0200
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Subject: Re: VLF: DF6NM on 8970.002
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Hello Gerhard, Markus, and the group,

This is most likely old hat, and been tried before, but maybe...

Below a certain current density, the discharge into air may be "dark" 
but still dark enough to produce heat, or even chemical reacions (think 
about how ozone is produced: a discharge with very low current density).
I recently visited the local garden store, and those nice giant hollow 
polished steel spheres caught my eye. May be worth to use two of them as 
the 'end caps' of the wire antenna, to reduce the field strength at the 
end of the wires ? These spheres are very light-weight due to their thin 
walls, only a few hundred grams even for the monster-sized ones.

All the best,
    Wolf .



Am 28.03.2012 19:37, schrieb Gerhard Hickl:
> Hello Markus, VLF!
>
> This might be true at least partially. In my setup, I'm observing
> acoustic noise without the presence of corona discharges. I observed my
> antenna in the dark, running about 600mA of antenna current. There was
> no "corona" visible but the noise was clearly heard. Definitely it was
> not emitted by the loading coil behind the house but I have got the
> impression, that it was emitted by the ends of the top-load wires. One
> of those ends is even 50m away from the coil, in my neighbours garden.
> When walking from my property (where I also have an end of a top-load
> wire) up to his plot of land, the noise is decreasing and then getting
> louder again under the end of the wire on his property.
>
> In this respect I agree with you. The sound is emitted by the ends of
> the top-load wires but it doesn't need a corona-discharge to make the
> antenna "noisy" during transmit.
>
> In fact, this behaviour of my antenna is the biggest problem in
> transmitting during warm summer (spring) days. My neighbour allowed me
> to use one of his trees as a hook of the top-load so I can't bother him
> with noise when he's out in the garden.....that's way more than good
> neighbourhood could bear.
>
> The more I would be interested in suppressing this noise by suitable
> measures.
>
> 73
> OE3GHB
> Gerhard
>
>
>
>
> Am Dienstag, den 27.03.2012, 17:22 -0400 schrieb Markus Vester:
>> It's a beautiful night! At 20:25, I have started up a straight carrier
>> on 8970.002 Hz (DHO locked). If all stays well I will leave it on
>> until after sunrise.
>>
>> An interesting observation on the side: In the first few minutes, I
>> drove the amp up to 400 mA antenna current. A little corona became
>> visible near the ends of two of the three topload wires - it wasn't
>> very bright, not unlike 3rd magnitude stars when viewed from the
>> ground 10 m below. But the 9 kHz sound from antenna itself could be
>> heard quite loudly, which is a potential cause for neighbourhood
>> trouble.
>>
>> Then I reduced the drive to 350 mA where the corona disappeared
>> completely. So did the noise, the antenna became absolutely quiet! All
>> that was left was a little noise from the coil in the dustbin on the
>> balcony, and the transformer indoors. Thus the predominant cause for a
>> squeaking antenna must be corona. The fact that it can be heard at 9
>> rather than 18 kHz demonstrates that the discharge must have an
>> asymmetric dependence on the voltage polarity.
>>
>> At the same time, wideband electrical noise on the nearby LF grabber
>> antenna went down by 20 dB.
>>
>> BTW If you like you can actually read my VLF frequency from an alias
>> line on the LF TA grabber: It is created by the 24th VLF harmonic,
>> intermodulating with DCF 77, thus appearing on 24 x 8970.002 - 77500 =
>> 137780.048 Hz.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Markus (DF6NM)
>
>
>
>