Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 01C7E3800008F; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 04:58:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1S48BY-00062M-UI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:57:00 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1S48BY-00062D-H2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:57:00 +0000 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1S48BX-0008Qx-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:57:00 +0000 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20120304095653.VNLS4985.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:56:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20120304095652.EZCP10211.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 09:56:52 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 09:56:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4F533C5B.14115.450D3B1@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: <4F52C0BB.3010505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> References: <12959492286D45E9BB24E80CE57644CD@AGB>, <4F52C0BB.3010505@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=t53l--slNbcA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=Z56oCacAMwTlCQ5o0EQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Permissible QSY limits for 136 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:382229472:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4f533cb41a9a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On 4 Mar 2012 at 2:09, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Am 04.03.2012 02:01, schrieb Graham: > > Permissible QSY limits for 136 > > Q what is the average Q of a 136 Khz Ae system ? (back > > garden + larger) > > Maybe arround 50. My very rough tests here suggest that a Q of 50 is about right. My current reduces to approx 70% at 1.5kHz off the antenna's tuned frequency. This is a Q of 1.5*2/137 =3D 46%. It is raining at the moment and I would expect the Q to rise when it is dry. The antenna is in a small back garden. It is an inverted-L, with a 14m vertical wire, and five roughly parallel top wires each 14m long. Lots of trees around help to reduce the Q. Inductive loading is distributed over several coils, small ones at the bottom and top of the vertical section, and most inductance some 3m up. The original question referred to SWR, which in most cases is irrelevant. In practice, my PA makes worrying noises when the antenna detunes by only a couple of hundred Hertz. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D