Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.202]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINDD081-860e4dcd75b72f9; Fri, 13 May 2011 14:17:27 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-de02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 60A42380000B6; Fri, 13 May 2011 14:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QKwtm-0008Nc-EZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:15:38 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QKwtl-0008NT-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:15:37 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QKwti-0000Ke-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2011 19:15:37 +0100 Received: from edmwcm04 ([204.209.205.13]) by priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.8.01.03.00 201-2260-125-20100507) with ESMTP id <20110513181526.HGHZ4639.priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net@edmwcm04> for ; Fri, 13 May 2011 12:15:26 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.115] ([75.157.142.115]) by edmwcm04 with bizsmtp id j6FP1g01K2Vbb3f016FQPF; Fri, 13 May 2011 12:15:26 -0600 X-Telus-Outbound-IP: 75.157.142.115 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GJVhRcRYWZNI6iJPx5NaNuzhaT0io4v8r2q070xun34= c=1 sm=2 a=PFWxWM63tqYA:10 a=XkI9H2VHQ5kA:10 a=LGgl8L9ij00A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=F3M5lZpKAAAA:8 a=qV0mfD4mAAAA:8 a=5-QDLPJQAAAA:8 a=GGxGivnBqgQTIoBaHdIA:9 a=bBzmW_ZxmLXCTGlU7CoA:7 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=kgugVFStejgA:10 a=-9LScNWCjC0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=wk6s2zzMB60A:10 a=ao4RW71Vw8YA:10 a=2ss08M-QTUMEDag4:21 a=hPWq6HO8BmpqtEYx:21 a=GfOHYehKrZ2Jk4tGZWgA:9 a=0k3OMEqm_t6itGGH8T8A:7 a=oRYgIxTRLH4OXyNk:21 a=Ivj-7I436vreHmni:21 Message-ID: <4DCD753A.7020802@telus.net> Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:15:22 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801cc1195$8c5239a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <001801cc1195$8c5239a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Ofcom Update: GPS Jamming Message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010801060704070509080406" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=EXCUSE_16,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40ca4dcd75ae6339 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------010801060704070509080406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Mal Mal... Taking your logic to the next level, you'd be just as screwed as the=20 rest of us as your appliances consume power and with the grid zapped you= =20 won't be using your tube rig very long on a battery... And your razor=20 blade would be better used to fend off looters come May 21st ;-) Also, have you forgot why and by whom the Internet was created? The US=20 military. The intent was to create a network that could survive huge=20 disruptions in a sense that no part of it is critical. To date, there=20 has never been a complete shutdown of the modern internet, which can't=20 be said for radio communications which get zapped every time there's=20 intense solar activity. Yes it is ture radio is important as a backup and yes skilled operators=20 are needed but lets keep our feet on the ground and deal with the fact=20 those skills you hold so dear are artifacts of the past and have largely= =20 been replaced by other equally useful skills... 73 Scott VE7TIL On 5/13/2011 10:45 AM, mal hamilton wrote: > Back to HF/DF using CW for a FIX and traditional Nav methods, =20 > shooting the stars and dead reckoning. > When we get a real EMP that Zaps the solid state equipment those with=20 > the old valve/tube radios and able to TX/RX morse will be=20 > highly sought after. > Satellite communications can be Zapped/Jammed by amateurs never mind=20 > professionals and likewise the Internet Hacked and rendered useless.=20 > Has someone forgot about the security aspect when designing the so=20 > called digital technology of today. > When you Radio Operators are all knocked out call me on CW on your=20 > 6V6/807 TX and razor blade detector RX > Appliance Operators you are doomed !! > g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Andy Talbot > *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > ; > ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2011 4:55 PM > *Subject:* LF: Ofcom Update: GPS Jamming Message > > 100W ERP - now that's what I call REAL GPS jamming. > Any GW stations able to monitor it ? > > 'jnt > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Updates > > Sent: Friday, 13 May, 2011 10:26:23 > Subject: Ofcom Update: GPS Jamming Message > > Dates jamming will take place: 31/05/2011 - 10/06/2011 > > Time periods during which jamming will take place: Periodically > Mon- Fri 09:00 - 17:30 > > Details of Jamming. > > a. Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land based within 5km of > N52=B0 00.881=92 W003=B0 38.518=92 (SN873365 =96 Dixie=92s Corner). > b. Frequencies: 24 MHz bands centred around 1176.45 MHz > (L5), 1227.60MHz (L2) and 1575.42MHz (L1). > c. Total Power: Up to 100 Watts EIRP. Whenever possible > the transmissions will be at lower powers. > d. Jammers: Both omni and directional jammers to minimise > affected areas. > e. Affected areas will be line of sight from the jammers > for land based GPS receivers. > > Ofcom stakeholders should contact InfoGPS.Notices@ofcom.org.uk > > > ....................................................................= ....... > > > Please do not respond to this email. To remove yourself from this > update list, use the online forms: > http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/subscribe/select_list.htm. > > > ********************************************************************= ********************************************** > For more information visit www.ofcom.org.uk > > This email (and any attachments) is confidential and intended for > the use of the addressee only. > > If you have received this email in error please notify the > originator of the message and delete it from your system. > > This email has been scanned for viruses. However, you open any > attachments at your own risk. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and do not represent the views or opinions of Ofcom unless > expressly stated otherwise. > ********************************************************************= ********************************************** > --------------010801060704070509080406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal Mal Mal...

Taking your logic to the next level, you'd be just as screwed as the rest of us as your appliances consume power and with the grid zapped you won't be using your tube rig very long on a battery...=A0 And your razor blade would be better used to fend off looters come May 21st ;-)

Also, have you forgot why and by whom the Internet was created?=A0 The US military.=A0 The intent was to create a network that could survive huge disruptions in a sense that no part of it is critical.=A0 To date, there has never been a complete shutdown of the modern internet, which can't be said for radio communications which get zapped every time there's intense solar activity.=A0

Yes it is ture radio is important as a backup and yes skilled operators are needed but lets keep our feet on the ground and deal with the fact those skills you hold so dear are artifacts of the past and have largely been replaced by other equally useful skills...=A0

73 Scott
VE7TIL


On 5/13/2011 10:45 AM, mal hamilton wrote:
Back to HF/DF using CW for a FIX and traditional Nav methods,=A0 shooting the stars and dead reckoning.
When we get a real EMP that Zaps the solid state equipment those with the old valve/tube radios and able to TX/RX morse will be highly=A0sought after.
Satellite=A0communications can be Zapped/Jammed by amateurs never mind professionals =A0and likewise the Internet Hacked and rendered useless. Has someone forgot about the security aspect when designing the so called digital technology of today.
When you=A0Radio Operators=A0are=A0all=A0k= nocked out call me on CW on your 6V6/807=A0TX =A0and razor blade detector=A0RX
=A0Appliance Operators you are doomed !!
g3kev
=A0
=A0
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: LF: Ofcom Update: GPS Jamming Message

100W ERP - now that's what I call REAL GPS jamming.
Any GW stations able to monitor it ?

'jnt

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Updates <Updates@ofcom.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, 13 May, 2011 10:26:23
Subject: Ofcom Update: GPS Jamming Message

Dates jamming will take place: 31/05/2011 - 10/06/2011
=A0
Time periods during which jamming will take place:=A0 Periodically Mon- Fri 09:00 - 17:30
=A0
Details of Jamming.=A0
=A0
a.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Location of MULTIPLE jammers: Land ba= sed within 5km of N52=B0 00.881=92 W003=B0 38.518=92 (SN873365 =96 Dixie=92s Co= rner).
b.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Frequencies: 24 MHz bands centred aro= und 1176.45 MHz (L5), 1227.60MHz (L2) and 1575.42MHz (L1).
c.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Total Power: Up to 100 Watts EIRP. Wh= enever possible the transmissions will be at lower powers.
d.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Jammers: Both omni and directional ja= mmers to minimise affected areas.
e.=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Affected areas will be line of sight= from the jammers for land based GPS receivers.
=A0
Ofcom stakeholders should contact InfoGPS.Notices@= ofcom.org.uk
=A0
................................................................= ...........
=A0
Please do not respond to this email. To remove yourself from this update list, use the online forms: http://www.ofcom.org.uk/static/subscribe/select_list= .htm.
=A0
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