Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.77]) by air-dd09.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD094-86b14d9b59db37a; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:05:15 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3E636380003BC; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 14:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q7AbA-00038n-RU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:03:28 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q7AbA-00038e-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:03:28 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q7Ab9-0007jn-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:03:28 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110405180321.UCXV18231.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:03:21 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110405180321.ULFM20122.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2011 19:03:21 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 19:03:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4D9B676E.27668.4B358A@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <007f01cbf2f6$2d7574a0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=R50lirqlHffDPPkwUlkuVa99MrvKdVWo//yz83qex8g= c=1 sm=0 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=nN7BH9HXAAAA:8 a=gDqd-X_C4_KsB6YVMIkA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=muIvw5a9-cgA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca Jeep Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604d4d9b59d730e4 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Many thanks to Andy, Warren and Mal for their helpful info. It=20 certainly looks like I have a shorted turn.=20 I will start by trying to dismantle the existing pot core, but I am=20 not optimistic. Warren's inductance measurements are very useful as I presume I just=20 need to replicate those figures with my new core. I have a couple of 3C85 toroids which could usefully be pressed into=20 action. But if anyone has a spare transformer (or even a Decca chassis minus=20 the amps) it would save me some work.=20 And I am still baffled by the missing 3.3n cap shown on the circuit=20 but nowhere to be seen in practice. Thanks again. Mike =3D=3D=3D=3D > Any large modern SMPSU core will cope with 1kW of sinusoidal 137kHz >=20 > Just make sure B is kept below ~0.1 Tesla using the equation to > determine teh minumum number of turns > V(rms) =3D 4.44.F.N.A.B >=20 > F Hz, N turns A core x-sectional area in m^2, B Tesla. > (the factor 4.44 comes from SQRT(2) * PI ) >=20 > In my 137kHz 700 Watt Tx, I used an ETD49 core with cross sectional > area of 200mm^2 made from 3C85 material designed for Bmax =3D 0.05T. > That runs cold. Thes days, even better ferrites are availble, like > 3C90. These are less lossy still, but Bmax is no more. TV LOPTs use > generally older types of ferrite, even older than 3C8, so its worth > going for a modern SMPSU core rather than cutting corners dismantling > old TVs. Although as Mal has clearly found, using LOPTs beyond their > design frequency, provided B is kept low by using enough turns, even > they will run OK. Just don't use too many turns that copper losses > begin to rear their head. >=20 > Andy > www.g4jnt.com >=20 >=20 > On 4 April 2011 19:29, mal hamilton wrote: > > Output transformer info. > Faulty output transformer. > Strip old > transformer windings and rewind as follows. > Prim 3 x 6 turns Sec 31 > turns > or > use large LOPT 3C material with same amount of turns as > above. > > Wire guage guide Prim 3mm litz per winding=A0and Sec 1 or 2 > mm enamel > > > de G3KEV > >=20