Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.143]) by air-dc08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC084-86a64d9a0f94138; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 14:36:05 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dd03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4C639380000EB; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q6obN-0007Ho-S6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:34:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q6obN-0007Hf-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:34:13 +0100 Received: from mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q6obM-0001O2-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:34:13 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110404183406.QMEF18231.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:34:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [82.5.252.56]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20110404183406.XTAY25842.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:34:06 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2011 19:34:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4D9A1D28.3097.2283684@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> In-reply-to: References: <4D9A146C.25841.206191E@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=yUhPHXF4DUUA:10 a=9YlaCzn6_68A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=wV9FcBFsAAAA:8 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=fOMPcGACMUuMBxLYz_MA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=_dQi-Dcv4p4A:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Decca faulty transformer? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d408f4d9a0f922c1a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Thanks for the suggestion Andy. I did that already using an Atlas LCR meter (one of the best bits of test gear I ever bought), but didn't believe the result. It showed what looked to me like very low inductance, some 1.3uH on the 'primaries' and 3.2uH on the secondary. The 'monitor' winding is much higher than this. Would a single shorted turn make all of the inductances low? The Atlas declined to measure the DC resistances as they were too low. Mike ==== > Disconnect all windings and measure the inductance. If the > transformer is OK, the L will be high - with Xl many times the > operating impedance. A shorted turn - which is what it looks as if > you may have - will drastically lower L to a value that should be > evident > > Andy > www.g4jnt.com > > > > On 4 April 2011 18:56, Mike Dennison > wrote: > I have a fault on my Decca 5501 LF transmitter. It appears > that the > main output transformer / combiner is faulty. Each Tx > module takes > current when connected to the transformer, even when > the output is > disconnected. And there is no power out of the > transformer. > > I have some questions: > > According to the the > circuit diagram, the transformer's output > winding has a 3.3nF > capacitor across it. However, it seems to be > invisible! Does anyone > know where it is? Is it inside the pot core? > > Does anyone have a > spare transformer for sale? > > Has anyone had a similar fault? > > Is > it difficult to disassemble the transformer? > > It is very difficult > to test for shorted turns because the resistance > is extremely low. > > > Any ideas? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > >