Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Received: from mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.142]) by air-mf08.mail.aol.com (v128.3) with ESMTP id MAILINMF083-8bf74bd06ec03b8; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:44:00 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 33A1438000093; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1O4yXr-0007Mx-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:42:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1O4yXn-0007Ju-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:42:23 +0100 Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net ([193.180.251.61]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <daniele.tincani@ericsson.com>) id 1O4yXg-0001Gb-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 16:42:22 +0100 X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7bf6ae000005bec-19-4bd06e43c1c7 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.124]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Brightmail Gateway) with SMTP id B7.36.23532.34E60DB4; Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:41:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw110.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.78]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:41:56 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:41:55 +0200 Message-ID: <4D95FB39404AA04CA998E7F63B1A2E5F0437E693@esealmw110.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <BLU146-W9257EBFB5A72C3578235DCF080@phx.gbl> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LF: vlf stuff Thread-Index: AcriLrBIj7tyHq50QWSkjJUCzZlbvQAAnywQ References: <BLU146-W163A0E91E10A6B111F4D9CCF080@phx.gbl>,<4BCFF4B0.1060408@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <BLU146-W9257EBFB5A72C3578235DCF080@phx.gbl> From: "Daniele Tincani" <daniele.tincani@ericsson.com> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Apr 2010 15:41:56.0090 (UTC) FILETIME=[567F35A0:01CAE232] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAE232.5666F7F3" Subject: RE: LF: vlf stuff X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608e4bd06ebe39fe X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAE232.5666F7F3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lawrence, probably you could use the lowest-frequency alpha station for= calibration purposes. I heard from Wolf that he was working on a built-in frequency calibration= tool for SpectrumLab but I don't know about current progress. I have so much noise at my sub-urban location that I have almost renounced= to receive something interesting below 10KHz. VLF gentlemen here in this= group suggested that I switch on a different solution that is to find a= quieter place far from civilization :-) A portable E-probe plus a digital= recorder should be a better setup for me in that case... Cheers D. =20 ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@black= sheep.org] On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X Sent: gioved=EC 22 aprile 2010 17.09 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: vlf stuff =20 Stefan, Xtain, Danielle, Bob - thanks for the comments - =20 On the QRM from the PC - no I dont get any (problematic) unless the loop= is within 3 metres or so of the loop - I have a 15m length of RG58 50 ohm= coax to the loop and the background iono/qrn masks any noise that I comes= from the unit - Ill take some screen shots and publish.=20 =20 Even some 400m from the nearest power line I can see 60Hz harmonics and so= me PLC stuff so Ill have to go out into the Plains a bit further.=20 =20 The aim perhaps is to look for W1VLF or other signals (yourselves) sometim= e in the future - =20 I did some VLF receiving stuff is Asia Pacfic countries over the past few= years - an example from China http://kl1x.com/vlfchina.jpg and from the= Polar regions some 30 years ago. =20 =20 I didnt get a lot of time last night as I was getting bitten by mosquitoes= and was wearing short trousers but we had thunderstorms to our West which= spoilt any long distance reception -so much so that Alphas werent visible= - The normal US and some other VLF stations were good enough. Ill wait fo= r a quieter time and smother myself with "bug dope" but the loop/preamp wa= s producing good results (its very very quiet) - =20 I used the loop right next to the Television to calibrate the receiver lo= oking at the sync but I need to revisit this given some of the comments ab= out digital TV's. =20 Laurence KL 1 X in 5 bartlesville OK http://kl1x.com =20 ________________________________ =20 ________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your= inbox. See how. <http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=3DPI= D28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2>=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAE232.5666F7F3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:v=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-mic= rosoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word= " xmlns:st1=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" xmlns=3D"http:/= /www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1= "> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <!--[if !mso]> <style> v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} </style> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:of= fice:smarttags" name=3D"State"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"place"/> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags= " name=3D"City"/> <!--[if !mso]> <style> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </style> <![endif]--> <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face =09{font-family:Wingdings; =09panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;} @font-face =09{font-family:Tahoma; =09panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face =09{font-family:Verdana; =09panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal =09{margin:0cm; =09margin-bottom:.0001pt; =09font-size:12.0pt; =09font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink =09{color:blue; =09text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed =09{color:blue; =09text-decoration:underline;} p =09{mso-margin-top-alt:auto; =09margin-right:0cm; =09mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; =09margin-left:0cm; =09font-size:12.0pt; =09font-family:"Times New Roman";} span.EmailStyle18 =09{mso-style-type:personal-reply; =09font-family:Arial; =09color:navy;} @page Section1 =09{size:612.0pt 792.0pt; =09margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.Section1 =09{page:Section1;} --> </style> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dblue> <div class=3DSection1> <div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>Hi Lawrence, probably you could use the lowest-fre= quency alpha station for calibration purposes.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>I heard from Wolf that he was working on a built-i= n frequency calibration tool for SpectrumLab but I don’t know about current progress.<o:p></= o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>I have so much noise at my sub-urban location that= I have almost renounced to receive something interesting below 10KHz. VLF gentlemen here in this= group suggested that I switch on a different solution that is to find a quieter= place far from civilization </span></font><font face=3DWingdings><span style=3D= 'font-family:Wingdings'>J</span></font> A portable E-probe plus a digital recorder should be a better setup for me in that case…<o:p></o:p></p= > <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'>D.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font si= ze=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-s= ize:10.0pt; font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><= font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:T= ahoma'> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.= org] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Laurence= KL1X<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> gioved=EC 22 aprile= 2010 17.09<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: LF: vlf stuff<= /span></font><o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style= =3D'font-size: 12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span style=3D'font-siz= e:10.0pt; font-family:Verdana'>Stefan, Xtain, Danielle, Bob - thanks= for the comments -<br> <br> On the QRM from the PC - no I dont get any (problematic) unless the loop= is within 3 metres or so of the loop - I have a 15m length of RG58 50 oh= m coax to the loop and the background iono/qrn masks any noise that I c= omes from the unit - Ill take some screen shots and publish. <br> <br> Even some 400m from the nearest power line I can see 60Hz harmonics and so= me PLC stuff so Ill have to go out into the Plains a bit further. <br> <br> The aim perhaps is to look for W1VLF or other signals (yourselves) sometim= e in the future -<br> <br> I did some VLF receiving stuff is Asia Pacfic countries over the= past few years - an example from China <a href=3D"http://kl1x.com/vlfchina.jpg"= >http://kl1x.com/vlfchina.jpg</a> and from the Polar regions some 30 years ago.<br> <br> <br> I didnt get a lot of time last night as I was getting bitten by mosquitoes and was wearing short trousers but we had thunderstorms&nb= sp;to our West which spoilt any long distance reception -so much so that Alphas werent visible - The normal US and some other VLF stations were good enoug= h. <st1:State w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Ill</st1:place></st1:Sta= te> wait for a quieter time and smother myself with "bug dope" but the loop/preamp= was producing good results (its very very quiet) -<br> <br> I used the loop right next to the Television to calibrate the receiv= er looking at the sync but I need to revisit this given some of the comm= ents about digital TV's.<br> <br> Laurence KL 1 X in 5<br> <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on">bartlesville</st1:City> <st1:= State w:st=3D"on">OK</st1:State></st1:place><br> <a href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</a><br> <br> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font si= ze=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana= '> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter id=3DstopSpelling> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span style=3D'font-siz= e:10.0pt; font-family:Verdana'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p> <div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font si= ze=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana= '> <hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter> </span></font></div> <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DVerdana><span style=3D'font-siz= e:10.0pt; font-family:Verdana'>Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for= the New Busy. 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