Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi01.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.154]) by air-dd08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD082-86364d13833a17e; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:13:30 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E93C138000064; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 12:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PVoi0-0001TD-PP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PVoi0-0001T4-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:08 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PVohx-0003cy-I7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B31364C81B5 for ; Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:11:59 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4D1382DE.6030901@online.fr> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 18:11:58 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?=22Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9_=28F1AFJ=29=22?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF: Re: RE: Full ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400cdec94d13833753fa X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Ossy , Ganz von accod mit Ihnen Ossy , f=FCr meinen Teil werde ich die Methode beacon mit nur einem Brief fortsetzen ! Gut Feste 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj Le 23/12/2010 15:46, o.ossy@inext.at a =E9crit : > hallo lfer,s > bin immer dankbar fuer eure comentare am reflektor , > leider hat sich einiges geaendert seit 1999, > damals hatten wir das nicht , > hatte in normal cw 17 laender , > angetroffen ohne reflector und pc, > und mehr als 200 qso,s heute streitet man sich ueber die ID, > die paar oms die qrv sind denken sich ihren teil, > die meisten halten ihre qso,s ueber den reflektor , > leider > wissen die wenigsten wie schwierig es ist als "amateur" > nicht als profi ,ein gutes signal > zustande zu bringen . > wenn ich hier mitlese bin ich der einzige amateur , > habe das thema nicht studiert bin von beruf schlosser , > oft denke ich ich gehoere hier nicht dazu , > also macht das ganze nicht zu schwierig , > sonst werden die ID bald leichter fallen weils nicht mehr so viele gibt= . > 73 schoene weihnachten oe5odl > > > > Chris wrote: >> Hi Rik, >> The idea is fine. But, the problems I have with this are (1) Stations >> don't >> always notify us who they are and what they are up to (Mike, G3XDV, is= a >> >> perfect example of how it should be done, keeping us FULLY informed), >> and >> (2) is where I agree with Stefan, what about listeners (lookers) who ar= e >> not >> on this refelector? Two letters are of little use to them. I know two >> stations near me who look on 137 but are not on here - for various >> reasons. >> You just can't beat a full callsign, even if you do sometimes only get >> snatches of it. As it is, stations are often 'identified' by frequency >> with >> very dubious visual evidence! >> Chris, G4AYT. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rik Strobbe" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:04 AM >> Subject: LF: RE: Full ID >> >> >> Hello Mike, all, >> >> for propagation test purposes (sound much better than beaconing) all we >> need >> is an unambiguous identification. A single character will lead to >> confusion, >> but 2 characters should do the job. >> So what about using the 2 last characters of the callsign ? >> That would make most ID's more or less of the same length. >> G3XDV would use "DV", OR7T would use "7T", DF6NM would use "NM" and so >> on. >> I cannot see any conflicts right now (=3D 2 stations active in propagat= ion >> >> tests with identical 2 last characters). >> Is national law requires a full id it can always be send in 12WMP CW. >> >> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T >> >> ________________________________________ >> Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= . >> org] >> namens Mike Dennison [mike.dennison@ntlworld.com] >> Verzonden: woensdag 22 december 2010 17:52 >> Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Onderwerp: LF: Full ID >> >> OK, it seems that most people want full suffixes to be sent. I >> believe I had good reasons to use a short ID, but I am happy to go >> along with the majority view. >> >> Of course the final straw was Mal threatening not to talk to me! >> >> Beacon tonight (in addition to, and not instead of, real QSOs) will >> be on 136.177kHz, 'XDV' synchronised with the start of each hour. >> >> 73 de Mike >> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >> >> > > >