Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.24]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDD014-86a94cff1274107; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 00:07:00 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 53220380000C8; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 00:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PQCDj-0001l9-Mq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 05:05:39 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PQCDi-0001l0-Je for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 05:05:38 +0000 Received: from email2.cablenet.cz ([81.200.48.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PQCDd-0002pK-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 05:05:37 +0000 Received: from [10.10.56.157] (ip63-88.cablenet.cz [81.200.63.88]) by email2.cablenet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923CE1D00EB for ; Wed, 8 Dec 2010 06:05:26 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CFF1216.1080802@rtv5.cz> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 06:05:26 +0100 From: Lubomir Bobalik User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; cs; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CA5E86D.1070208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <6F6098420211436FABB78BE04E5F8FAD@JimPC> <000901cb6215$2db60550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CA7096F.7070307@freenet.de> <25B77CFFDA13430086BE150894C4D3C3@Black> <5C71BB4133A642F7A2D06B26B567880D@Black> <65DFBC8F38CD4AF48A62C61B6BC4DCC4@Black> <4CF78D62.9070403@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4CF923F3.5070407@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4CFBCE7E.10906@abelian.netcom.co.uk> <4CFCCF3C.6060008@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20101206143323.04077008@vlf.it> <4CFE74C3.4070108@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4CFE74C3.4070108@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: VLF: DK7FC's 9th VLF kite experiment Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070507090402030003080201" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60184cff12714c88 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) --------------070507090402030003080201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Stefan, LF! Thanks for your information about nice VLF weekeend, they are=20 interesting for me and my friends SWL as well. I continue in tests of my= =20 VLF loop antenna - if it works well, I will send you some info. 73! Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ********************************* Dne 7.12.2010 18:54, Stefan Sch=E4fer napsal(a): > Dear VLF/LF group, > > After a very exciting and stressing VLF experiment i am back in the=20 > civilisation and am relaxed again. It was a very hard fight with kite=20 > in the dark cold until i have pulled it down after one hour! > > A new distance record by amateurs on VLF was reached, *_2873 km_=20 > distance in DFCW-600 with a good SNR by 4X1RF on 8970 Hz* and even=20 > fragments on 6470 Hz. Chris recorded the signal as a wav file so we=20 > can re-process the experiment in a even smaller FFT to at least=20 > extract a dash with better SNR. Congratulations!!! :-) > > Many thanks to all the many receiving stations all over the world!=20 > That makes me glad to see the effort, people are doing to receive my=20 > weak signal (e.g. F4DTL). The receiving stations are an important part= =20 > of this experiment! Not only new stations and/or distance records are=20 > fascinating but each station, no matter what the distance is! There=20 > have been 23 stations in 9 countries and 2 continents who successfully= =20 > managed to receive the signals, partly on all the 3 VLF bands where i=20 > can transmit. > > Special congratulations to 4X1RF, G4WGT, G3XBM, OK2BVG, G4AYT, F4DTL=20 > and ON7YD for the first successful reception on VLF. OK2BVG is the=20 > first contact between Germany and Czech Republic, ON7YD is the first=20 > contact between Germany and Belgium, 4X1RF the first contact between=20 > Germany and Israel (that counts to Asia if i am correctly informed).=20 > Attached you find a list of the successful receptions just of this 9th= =20 > experiment. The overall receptions of my kite experiments and a=20 > geographic card will appear on my QRZ.com page in a few days. > > Lets hope the activity, not only mine, can be increased even more by=20 > the upcoming stations with fixed antennas! It is worth to try it, even= =20 > if much slower modes are necessary. > > _Now my report about the 9th experiment:_ > > The wind forecast said that the wind will start to come up arround 9=20 > UTC and that was true! So i arrived about 8 UTC on the hill. The=20 > temperature was about -6 =B0C and this didn't change during the day. But= =20 > the sun came out and it was, once again, a wonderful day in the field.= =20 > I have had 2.5 liters hot tea and enough to drink and fuel for the=20 > generator to stand a 10 hours activity out there. The wind was at=20 > excellent strength and stable. Once i lifted the kite it was up in the= =20 > sky until i pulled it down! No QSB ;-) > After lifting up the first 200m i got the idea to start at 6470 Hz=20 > since i cannot resonate a 300m wire on this frequency, just 200m.=20 > Unfortunately some RX stations missed my 6470 Hz due to that change in= =20 > schedule. _(Hint: You can run all the 3 SpecLab instance to the same=20 > time_, just by 3x double clicking the SpecLab symbol and load each of=20 > the 3 usr files into one instance! This takes some more CPU power but=20 > it is no problem. So you cannot miss anything. Its like having 3 TVs=20 > for each of the 3 programs ;-). ) > Since the whole hill was covered by dry white snow, i haven't found=20 > my buried copper rod into the earth and so i had just the copper plate= =20 > and one /p earth rod. But the sun shined on the copper plate and=20 > seemed to melt some of the snow under the plate, so the contact was=20 > not to bad. On *6470 Hz* i managed to get an average antenna current=20 > of*800 mA* , equal to up to *9 mW ERP* and 18 kV rms on the antenna wire= . > > After that, the transmission on 8970 Hz followed. I have had several=20 > mobile phone contacts to DF9PW and top DF6NM but suddenly i got the=20 > message of the positive reception in Israel and a call from 4X1RF.=20 > This was very pleasing and exciting :-) > To my surprise my signal was visible in QRSS-3 at DF6NM but=20 > unfortunately i haven't had a suitable RX on 137 kHz available to this= =20 > time. In the next experiment i will be better prepared on receiving LF= =20 > (and HF, for some crossband contacts) and will try to make the first=20 > xband QSO on 9/137 kHz DFCW-3/CW to DF6NM. > > After preparing the loading coil and making a tap at 190 mH (RDC=3D180= =20 > Ohm, which is rather worse) i easily found the resonance at 8970 Hz on= =20 > the *300m vertical antenna* which was very stable at a high angle (>=20 > 60 deg) for the whole transmission! Here the achieved *antenna current= =20 > was up to 1 A (950 mA average)* so i reached an *ERP of 58 mW* and the= =20 > voltage was just 10 kV rms (about LF conditions)! > > During the transmission of "CU" in DFCW-600 i got a visit of a very=20 > kind man who wanted to take some photos of the great nature there. Of=20 > course he saw my high kite and asked what i am doing. Since he was a=20 > CB radio man in former times and works in the electric sector, he=20 > predominantly understood what i am doing and was impressed by the=20 > currently achieved world record and the whole setup and the technical=20 > data (such as Lambda=3D33km). So he took some nice photos and even wrote= =20 > a report out of the view of a non VLF radio amateur which is really=20 > interesting to read. Here, some pictures are published as well. See:=20 > *http://mkorbit.de/2010/12/05/weltrekord-signalubertragung-auf-einer-lan= gstwelle-vlf/*=20 > (in Geran language) If you want, just leave a comment there, he would=20 > be pleased by that i assume ;-) > > Aftter a longer carrier and the message "CU" i moved to 5170 Hz.=20 > Changing the wire to the other tap (550 mH) was a little dangerous=20 > since the air was very dry and the wind seemed to carry charged=20 > particles that caused a static voltage on the wire. I got sparks of=20 > about 10...15 mm and since the C is about 1.65 nF there was a=20 > reasonable high energy on the wire. So i have to earth the antenna by=20 > a second cable befor removing the main wire. Anyway, QSY to 5170 Hz=20 > took about 2 minutes. After increasing the number of turns on the=20 > loading coil by about 12 i got some more antenna current on 5170 Hz,=20 > i.e. about 530 mA. In the last experiment it was just 400 mA but i am=20 > still not in resonance. So it should be possible to get 800 mA there=20 > as well. So, my *ERP on 5170 Hz was about 5 mW and the voltage about 9= =20 > kV* rms. > > During the 5170 Hz transmission i prepared the LF/137 kHz equipment=20 > but i already gets dark slowly. So i haven't had much time on LF. Just= =20 > a test to find the resonance and transmit some dashes that seemed to=20 > appear on the UA4WPF grabber in 3009 km :-) Although i was playing=20 > with a 100W soldering iron there on the hill it was not possible to=20 > make a suitable tap on the correct place. Also, there was a resonance=20 > but not 50 Ohms so it wasn't possible to use the class E PA but only a= =20 > class D PA with very low power. Next time i will be better prepared=20 > and will do a experiment just on LF! :-) > > After coming home in the dark i not even put the things out of my car=20 > but immediately fell in my bed ;-) > > This was the 9th experiment and it was very exciting, funny, and=20 > successful. No problems, nothing missed, good WX, a nice record and=20 > still some challenges left :-) > > I hope to CU in the next experiment, probably in January 2011! :-) > > Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC > --------------070507090402030003080201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Stefan, LF!
Thanks for your information about nice VLF weekeend, they are interesting for me and my friends SWL as well. I continue in tests of my VLF loop antenna - if it works well, I will send you some info.

73!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

*********************************


Dne 7.12.2010 18:54, Stefan Schäfer napsal(a):
Dear VLF/LF group,

After a very exciting and stressing VLF experiment i am back in the civilisation and am relaxed again. It was a very hard fight with kite in the dark cold until i have pulled it down after one hour!

A new distance record by amateurs on VLF was reached, 2873 km distance in DFCW-600 with a good SNR by 4X1RF on 8970 Hz and even fragments on 6470 Hz. Chris recorded the signal as a wav file so we can re-process the experiment in a even smaller FFT to at least extract a dash with better SNR. Congratulations!!! :-)

Many thanks to all the many receiving stations all over the world! That makes me glad to see the effort, people are doing to receive my weak signal (e.g. F4DTL). The receiving stations are an important part of this experiment! Not only new stations and/or distance records are fascinating but each station, no matter what the distance is! There have been 23 stations in 9 countries and 2 continents who successfully managed to receive the signals, partly on all the 3 VLF bands where i can transmit.

Special congratulations to 4X1RF, G4WGT, G3XBM, OK2BVG, G4AYT, F4DTL and ON7YD for the first successful reception on VLF. OK2BVG is the first contact between Germany and Czech Republic, ON7YD is the first contact between Germany and Belgium, 4X1RF the first contact between Germany and Israel (that counts to Asia if i am correctly informed). Attached you find a list of the successful receptions just of this 9th experiment. The overall receptions of my kite experiments and a geographic card will appear on my QRZ.com page in a few days.

Lets hope the activity, not only mine, can be increased even more by the upcoming stations with fixed antennas! It is worth to try it, even if much slower modes are necessary.

Now my report about the 9th experiment:

The wind forecast said that the wind will start to come up arround 9 UTC and that was true! So i arrived about 8 UTC on the hill. The temperature was about -6 °C and this didn't change during the day. But the sun came out and it was, once again, a wonderful day in the field. I have had 2.5 liters hot tea and enough to drink and fuel for the generator to stand a 10 hours activity out there. The wind was at excellent strength and stable. Once i lifted the kite it was up in the sky until i pulled it down! No QSB ;-)
After lifting up the first 200m i got the idea to start at 6470 Hz since i cannot resonate a 300m wire on this frequency, just 200m. Unfortunately some RX stations missed my 6470 Hz due to that change in schedule. (Hint: You can run all the 3 SpecLab instance to the same time, just by 3x double clicking the SpecLab symbol and load each of the 3 usr files into one instance! This takes some more CPU power but it is no problem. So you cannot miss anything. Its like having 3 TVs for each of the 3 programs ;-). )
Since the whole hill was covered by dry white snow,  i haven't found my buried copper rod into the earth and so i had just the copper plate and one /p earth rod. But the sun shined on the copper plate and seemed to melt some of the snow under the plate, so the contact was not to bad. On 6470 Hz i managed to get an average antenna current of 800 mA , equal to up to 9 mW ERP and 18 kV rms on the antenna wire.

After that, the transmission on 8970 Hz followed. I have had several mobile phone contacts to DF9PW and top DF6NM but suddenly i got the message of the positive reception in Israel and a call from 4X1RF. This was very pleasing and exciting :-)
To my surprise my signal was visible in QRSS-3 at DF6NM but unfortunately i haven't had a suitable RX on 137 kHz available to this time. In the next experiment i will be better prepared on receiving LF (and HF, for some crossband contacts) and will try to make the first xband QSO on 9/137 kHz DFCW-3/CW to DF6NM.

After preparing the loading coil and making a tap at 190 mH (RDC=180 Ohm, which is rather worse) i easily found the resonance at 8970 Hz on the 300m vertical antenna which was very stable at a high angle (> 60 deg) for the whole transmission! Here the achieved antenna current was up to 1 A (950 mA average) so i reached an ERP of 58 mW and the voltage was just 10 kV rms (about LF conditions)!

During the transmission of  "CU" in DFCW-600 i got a visit of a very kind man who wanted to take some photos of the great nature there. Of course he saw my high kite and asked what i am doing. Since he was a CB radio man in former times and works in the electric sector, he predominantly understood what i am doing and was impressed by the currently achieved world record and the whole setup and the technical data (such as Lambda=33km). So he took some nice photos and even wrote a report out of the view of a non VLF radio amateur which is really interesting to read. Here, some pictures are published as well. See: http://mkorbit.de/2010/12/05/weltrekord-signalubertragung-auf-einer-langstwelle-vlf/ (in Geran language) If you want, just leave a comment there, he would be pleased by that i assume ;-)

Aftter a longer carrier and the message "CU" i moved to 5170 Hz. Changing the wire to the other tap (550 mH) was a little dangerous since the air was very dry and the wind seemed to carry charged particles that caused a static voltage on the wire. I got sparks of about 10...15 mm and since the C is about 1.65 nF there was a reasonable high energy on the wire. So i have to earth the antenna by a second cable befor removing the main wire. Anyway, QSY to 5170 Hz took about 2 minutes. After increasing the number of turns on the loading coil by about 12 i got some more antenna current on 5170 Hz, i.e. about 530 mA. In the last experiment it was just 400 mA but i am still not in resonance. So it should be possible to get 800 mA there as well. So, my ERP on 5170 Hz was about 5 mW and the voltage about 9 kV rms.

During the 5170 Hz transmission i prepared the LF/137 kHz equipment but i already gets dark slowly. So i haven't had much time on LF. Just a test to find the resonance and transmit some dashes that seemed to appear on the UA4WPF grabber in 3009 km :-) Although i was playing with a 100W soldering iron there on the hill it was not possible to make a suitable tap on the correct place. Also, there was a resonance but not 50 Ohms so it wasn't possible to use the class E PA but only a class D PA with very low power. Next time i will be better prepared and will do a experiment just on LF! :-)

After coming home in the dark i not even put the things out of my car but immediately fell in my bed ;-)

This was the 9th experiment and it was very exciting, funny, and successful. No problems, nothing missed, good WX, a nice record and still some challenges left :-)

I hope to CU in the next experiment, probably in January 2011! :-)

Best 73, Stefan/DK7FC


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