Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.135]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC032-a8dc4cf2d21c31f; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:05:16 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dc07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 4D009380000C8; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:05:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PMpKn-0002Qw-E1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:03:01 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PMpKm-0002Qn-SY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:03:00 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.4]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PMpKk-0002d9-AI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:03:00 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF6914C8157 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:02:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4CF2D18B.9010808@online.fr> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 23:02:51 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?IkplYW4tUGllcnJlIE3DqXLDqSAoRjFBRkopIg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8FA94C1DE6F6465C9C511D7A455AB4BB@ns94d01ae4d850> <4CE85C77.5010109@kpnmail.nl> <4CF0B70E.1050009@online.fr> <4CF18164.1020505@online.fr> <4CF29F87.5020305@online.fr> <6945F555095B4289B040095A46142012@White> In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: Re2: LF: T/A [137kHz] Grabber noisy ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40874cf2d21a2d1e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Markus , Dex , LF , Two years ago , I had had the same thing (see pictures) and it had left at the end of a few days ! I will wait a little to see ? then I will warn= !!! Markus I have a loop of measurement and a sdr + a laptop , and I will drive out the fox! =E2=80=A6. 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj Le 28/11/2010 20:45, Markus Vester a =C3=A9crit : > ...counting the 1ms pixels, the FM rate seems to be about 71 Hz, plus or > minus soundcard samplerate deviation. Googling for "72 Hz plasma" brough= t up > that this is a standard framerate for Pioneer plasma TVs. My assumption= is > that the framerate may be modulating the current consumption, and thus= the > power supply chopper frequency. > > Do you have a portable receiver to locate the noise? You may also be abl= e to > see the chopper fundamental (eg. ~ 45 kHz ?), by connecting the antenna > directly to a soundcard with 96 kHz samplerate. > > 73, Markus > > > From: Markus Vester > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:03 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: T/A [137kHz] Grabber noisy ! > > > Hi Jean Pierre, > > on Spectrogram it looks like an FM-modulated source, sweeping between 13= 0 > and 141 kHz, typical for a switched mode power supply harmonic. But the > strange thing is that the modulation rate is 70 Hz, instead of the usual= 100 > Hz. Perhaps this could be traced to the frame rate of some monitor or pl= asma > TV? > > Best 73, > Markus > > > From: "Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 (F1AFJ)" > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 7:29 PM > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: T/A [137kHz] Grabber noisy ! > > Hi Roelof , > I think that my QRM is local (perhaps CPL) I made capture and an audio > recording, you can download it here: > http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/QRM_137kHz/ > 73 Jean-Pierre F1AFJ > > Le 28/11/2010 12:07, Roelof Bakker a =C3=A9crit : >> Hello Jean-Pierre and all, >> >> Have you also noted increased wideband noise last night. >> The band noise faded up and down every few seconds with 6 - 10 dB. >> I could here it on LF and also on 160m, though less pronounced. >> >> It got less as the evening progressed. >> >> Any ideas? >> >> 73, >> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt >> > > >