Return-Path: Received: from mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.93]) by air-me03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME032-8ba94cbf0e2a203; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:43:38 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-db09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C9A973800016F; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P8anP-0002ha-1F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:41:43 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P8anO-0002hR-LB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:41:42 +0100 Received: from mail-ey0-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P8anM-000533-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:41:42 +0100 Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so686048eyb.16 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.114.74 with SMTP id d10mr638585ebq.96.1287589299443; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-26.cisco.com (dhcp-gpk02-vlan300-64-103-65-26.cisco.com [64.103.65.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q51sm379979eeh.22.2010.10.20.08.41.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CBF0DAF.8050806@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:41:35 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: Chris References: <367FDD82671449AEAB28C67EA989FE59@IBM7FFA209F07C> <001201cb7038$ddc18d80$4001a8c0@lark> <7383C2F394D24A61A4D04AD2516EC590@IBM7FFA209F07C> <001701cb7058$e2c315e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <0C7E582F2C424A66A136CD25244BE1BF@IBM7FFA209F07C> In-Reply-To: <0C7E582F2C424A66A136CD25244BE1BF@IBM7FFA209F07C> X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Variometer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d405d4cbf0e287193 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On 20/10/2010 14:45, Chris wrote: > Hi Mal, > Yes, so I now understand, but it wasn't a 'full blown' repeater, as you > say, more a remote RX like a grabber. Exactly, it was an experimental system (MB7LF) that we ran for a while and demonstrated at the HF convention, which received on 136KHz and did a linear translation to 144MHz. This was use to overcome local RX noise. We had a couple of real cases where local noise was a problem - one at G3GRO who got huge ingress noise from a BT line to the local hospital and the other was the HF Convention where noise from the computer room wiped out 136KHz. The service could be compared to a short range version of the modern Internet grabbers, though it was much closer to a remote SDR because you could tune the whole band remotely in parallel to other users. However, it was deployed at a time when far fewer people had Internet and the bandwidth available was much lower than it is today. > Thing is, nobody had to use it if > they didn't want to. Still can't see how it would attract 'pirates'. It's didn't. The "pirate" thing was a storm in a teacup. There was one event, one weekend, where someone did an experiment involving a low power signal generator a small antenna and a morse keyer to try the system out (unfortunately they accidentally had the keyer is some strange mode that gave out random characters). They only expected to get to Crawley, but got to Wales and were heard by Steve. Once the problem was identified they shut down the experiment. I can't remember who it was, but it was not one of the group that deployed MB7LF. - Stewart/G3YSX