Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8B6E8380000B4; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 20:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TBwtr-0001sm-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:03:19 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TBwtq-0001sd-TD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:03:18 +0100 Received: from smtpout5.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.80] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TBwtp-0005M2-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:03:17 +0100 Received: from AGB ([2.26.22.87]) by mwinf5d64 with ME id yQ3G1j0041skBk203Q3G0v; Thu, 13 Sep 2012 02:03:16 +0200 Message-ID: <4C7DA1D2B1364FB38EC302E6B804B0F4@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <504E733E.5000208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de>,<8CF5E5BCA46639D-8FC-4829A@webmail-d050.sysops.aol.com> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB22D26@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<82bc7bcd97ea679e8be267e8e2add69c@dl1dbc.net> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB22E5E@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be>,<505083D5.6070709@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB23EED@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> <5FC68B43E618457593E547DB7833EA8B@AGB> <5050A0BC.7000805@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <5050A0BC.7000805@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 01:03:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Yes that's true , but for HF , then Doppler and delay need to be tested or the mode will not survive transit and 500 has phase distortion in qsb , could be seen using Murrays psk propagation time delay measuring software seemed to explain why psk31 did not work very well at range (or over the pole on hf ?) [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.80 listed in list.dnswl.org] X-Scan-Signature: f62c7cf8eeb8e5a327b71719e9bffff1 Subject: Re: LF: RE: slow WSPR? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404b5051289d36c1 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Yes that's true , but for HF , then Doppler and delay need to be tested or the mode will not survive transit and 500 has phase distortion in qsb , could be seen using Murrays psk propagation time delay measuring software seemed to explain why psk31 did not work very well at range (or over the pole on hf ?) G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stefan Schäfer" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:48 PM To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: slow WSPR? > I think it's better to test the real path out there. That's why we built > up our equipment, or not? > > 73, Stefan > > Am 12.09.2012 16:21, schrieb Graham: >> Try the tests using the Path-sim propagation software , that's a >> good universal test instrument, free to download >> >> G.. >> >> http://www.moetronix.com/ae4jy/files/pathsimtech100.pdf >> >