Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-di04.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDI044-eac54c6aa72edc; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:13:50 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7A96D380001AA; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 11:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OlNpq-0005QU-Qa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:12:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OlNpq-0005QL-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:12:18 +0100 Received: from relay01a.mail.uk1.eechost.net ([217.69.40.75] helo=relay03.mail.uk1.eechost.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OlNpp-0007UZ-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:12:18 +0100 Received: from [88.151.27.235] (helo=[192.168.1.107]) by relay03.mail.uk1.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1OlNpb-0003lK-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:12:03 +0100 Message-ID: <4C6AA6BB.8020004@o2.ie> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:11:55 +0100 From: Tony User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4C694CC6.3010609@o2.ie> <4C69AAB7.5070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4C69AAB7.5070006@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> X-Auth-Info: 3810@permanet.ie (plain) X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: Earth electrode antenna tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4c6aa7274d15 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Stefan I tried the antennae this afternoon on 23 KHz and the E/W wire is 12dB=20 up on the N/S wire. I have no idea what I was receiving as I was using a FRG-7700 which only= =20 displays to the nearest KHz. When I disconnected the far end from the earth stake the signal dropped=20 by 18dB, the receiver is at the eastern end of the E/W wire and the=20 northern end of the N/S wire. I will try sub 10 KHz when I sort out where my local QRM is coming from. Tony, EI8JK. On 16/08/2010 22:16, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Hello Tony, > > Thanks for that interesting work! > Could you extend the measurements to the VLF band? It would be=20 > interesting what the levels and directivity would be there. > > 73 and pse a sked for your upcoming LF stn! :-) > > Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 16.08.2010 16:35, schrieb Tony: >> Yesterday I spent some time playing with different antennae. >> I started by laying out another wire 52m long orientated roughly=20 >> north/south and then I shortened my original wire also to be 52m and=20 >> this one is east/west, both terminated with an earth rod. >> Results were not as expected however as although the two earth=20 >> electrode antennae show most definite directivity they were the wrong= =20 >> direction. >> >> I monitored BBC R. Bristol on 1548 KHz which is about 500 Km due east= =20 >> of me and on the inverted L (tuned VSWR 1.6:1) I could just detect a=20 >> carrier heterodyne, on the N/S earth electrode antenna it was S1 but=20 >> on the E/W earth electrode antenna it was S3. >> RNE5 on 531 KHz about 960 Km due south of me was S3 on the E/W and S8= =20 >> on the N/S >> >> HGA22 (135 KHz) to my east was S4 on the E/W and S1 on N/S >> >> Readings were taken about 12:00 utc so most definitely ground wave. >> >> I was expecting the directivity to be broadside on the earth=20 >> electrode antennae, but they seem to behave like a Beverage in that=20 >> respect, but something that I think I will investigate further, maybe= =20 >> see if there is any difference if I terminate them with a resistor. >> I'm sure Mal is correct though that they would be useless to TX=20 >> through but for RX they seem to have possibilities especially after=20 >> dark as they are a lot quieter. >> >> All good fun. >> 73, Tony, EI8JK. > > >