Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.81]) by air-mf10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF101-8bfd4c65661750; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:34:47 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-da09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7787D38000084; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OjwGZ-0003W0-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:33:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OjwGZ-0003Vr-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:33:55 +0100 Received: from relay03.pair.com ([209.68.5.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OjwGY-00014i-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:33:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 57973 invoked from network); 13 Aug 2010 15:33:49 -0000 Received: from 64.206.3.50 (HELO ?192.168.1.56?) (64.206.3.50) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2010 15:33:49 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 64.206.3.50 Message-ID: <4C6566E7.5090207@charter.net> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:38:15 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RATWARE_GECKO_BUILD=1.426 Subject: Re: LF: A question about loops for 136 and 500kHz TX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40514c6566133945 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, Even in an area with very poor ground conductivity (such as mine), environmental losses will be reduced by elevating the lower conductor. I would suggest 2-3 meters as a minimum. In general, loop shapes having the lowest proximity to ground are the best, with circular being very desirable. The late Reg Edwards, G4FGQ, wrote several programs dealing with loops for transmit use, and RJELOOP1 would apply the best to your situation. You can download it from: http://www.we0h.us/page3.html#S301%22 Your actual feedpoint impedance will probably differ, but the program allows you to play with various options in advance, perhaps saving some money, and certainly time. The loop is an excellent option for a lot with so many trees that a Marconi-style antenna would have excessive environmental losses at these frequencies. John, W1TAG On 8/13/2010 11:08 AM, Roger Lapthorn wrote: > Having considered the antenna options for my small garden, I'm going to > erect a TX loop antenna rather than a Marconi vertical for 136kHz: the > earthing issues are removed and it is easier to build a capacitor > selection box (to tune and match the loop) than wind a huge loading coil > and match it. I've seen some of the webpages dealing with these and > understand basically what is needed (large loop area, thick wire, > capacitor match-box, dealing with high RF currents, etc). I understand > the loop will have directionality and nulls. > > My question is this. *Is there any reason why the bottom of the loop > cannot be laid along the ground rather than elevated a few metres?* Most > designs show the bottom elevated a bit, but if laid on the soil I could > use thick coax or multiple wires for part of the loop so reducing the > loop resistance. > > Views appreciated, although it may be a case of "suck it and see". > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > > -- > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088