Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj03.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.87]) by air-db02.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB021-85ee4c1b09c213c; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:53:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mj03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C750738000083; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 01:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OPUTu-0000sb-6O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:51:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OPUTt-0000sS-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:51:09 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OPUTr-0003Zh-De for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:51:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.64] (188-221-89-85.zone12.bethere.co.uk [188.221.89.85]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWgo7-1OiZqQ0xtz-00XwVD; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:51:01 +0200 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:50:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4C1B093F.3081.186EF1@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <005501cb0e75$075f7510$4001a8c0@lark> References: , <005501cb0e75$075f7510$4001a8c0@lark> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.52) Content-description: Mail message body X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/1HbuG8XGOfgEf53dARXTPUX2M1zHhJmhBOgk G/fecwQ9UFmts83iyYLCDF3LOQwYN1jJsb+X224CtwpJIJ8DP0 BaU/ota0+slQmSTwRXmnnXCCLqS9KLl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Changing solar conditions Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400c89a64c1b09be0710 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 On 18 Jun 2010 at 0:04, Alan Melia wrote: > You have found that Kp and A are not good indicators of propagation > conditions at LF. And it is worth also remembering that although the K instance is 'instantaneous' and updated every 3 hours, the A index the average of all the individual K indices over the past 24 hours. To that extent the A index indicates what YESTERDAY's conditions were, the K index is the only one that really shows what is happening NOW. A K index of 2 is a fairly low level, the 5 it got up to earlier in the day is edging on a significant storm. But in any case with a SN of 0 and a flux of 70/72 the sun is effectively dormant. I don't think the geomagnetic disturbance mentioned was even worth mentioning. I see this morning the flux remains at 70 but they have identified a few speckles invisible to the human eye as 'spots' so the SN is now 14 (ie 4 speckles in one group, not 14...). K remains at 2. Nothing significant happening there. Remember also we are largely talking about tests by groundwave, certainly so for Roger's ground electrode tests, and not transatlantic. In these what is going on in the ionosphere is totally irrelevant, groundwave does not go anywhere near the ionosphere... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com