Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 80FBD3800008D; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RrGdy-00049Z-SH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:21:10 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RrGdy-00049Q-3i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:21:10 +0000 Received: from nm1.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RrGdx-00009p-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:21:10 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.197] by nm1.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 22:21:03 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.205] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 22:21:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2012 22:21:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 958780.31572.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 57739 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2012 22:21:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=01Z+jVLqF+d8pULFA0DAHC50pDmLMFD778R4EzX71GR8pK9eEo1Unagkn3dh/lrZS+Xbd5m7OdM2wF3+FX1CH7Ebidd8SQvrzEbuXRDxJC97dRKRDHc7XJGGwC86qSLGaEq6pWBNsmDbKgH7sA/JQT2z9lOJP85n+bek1oV1Xwg= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1327789263; bh=vcovDop6cdF4CkPK3ROK74r5dGjBU3vAae9tnYTbU5A=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=AXk96JeVqu6vkJ9IR3JYS3JaL8nMT5CxFuqzqrZOOAgrtv5T161TZkradS/Cj9B28/vAHPJ+TcEbfb9fpF67Z54l1AgdrAQ5A6hiI59TnmyAetCdsT5JR1qT2Ex7xVlFZHWTWafy5QWStu2JwkZW3zzd/sLApNSUNFAOZAPMTsg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bYJGOEAVM1lBzxflfeNQ0d14CMVonwaRjHX2wUSlqFFHjPE xNUILvKiJ0bv9yW47yy6iuv0VTR7dLiQw7fv4hg3OIvb1xrSOOtIcEhFbZUk QertpyVEUFeI1MSSs3w5pYP5od8pEn.ZU.a1zoMc1I2N0Ot1pWdbcfXC16T_ qUJL1hpkT42ZbGouh.bPbv6y5w4Kq7zZX9MsIDfIWAMQrJxhQfNF.Da5Ad62 5XEB7Q_Qj1VNNGxBWx_HAp6No.DfIf8x12TSHFVv8tUn89kwjcKOdn.yRRWs _h5Nr4AlE0GUNy93D8WqOSZ_gfhc8Kx.vO_iboiFLckehrAM1Sx4hwtNri49 zUGIgkY7SqIbmxwCnk9aQ6XOqZmMdP63EfmMQs3_UCHZP2ifnnisKCLHXhRE n6Gwlrwmk_xXPWgbTC2mlM2HHyXgXBxfb X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.177.191.81 with login) by smtp819.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2012 22:21:03 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <4C07A9438C5145FABCB79D95FCF457BA@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <006501ccddb0$d757cd60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <006501ccddb0$d757cd60$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 22:21:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: OT: Headphones Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:445560832:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m287.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc14a4f24750d351b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mal, Roger, LF Group, G3KEV wrote: >The DLR5 is nothing special the Z is only around 50 ohms whereas S G Brown >and similar are 2000Z. Obviously there is no direct connection between efficiency/sensitivity and impedance - the impedance varies with the number of turns/thickness of wire in the electromagnet windings, and so can be chosen at will by the manufacturer, but the sensitivity, i.e. the signal power required to produce an audible signal, depends on the basic details of construction and operating principle. All the balanced armature types I have personally encountered were of the order of a few hundred ohms impedance, but no doubt others have been made in a high impedance version with more turns of finer wire. Whether high Z is better than low Z depends on the output impedance of the circuit they are connected to. For crystal sets and simple valve/tube circuits, many kilohms are usually desired. For my electromechanical RX and passive DC receiver projects, the low impedance 'phones were close to ideal. In any case, as JB says, you can use a transformer to get what impedance you want. But balanced armature types are definitely more sensitive than others. The "traditional "type has a steel diaphragm acted on by a U-shaped electromagnet - due to the stiffness of the diaphragm, and the increased force needed to move it, sensitivity is reduced. I have some high impedance SG Browns "type A" that use a "reed" construction - this has the steel diaphragm replaced with a magnetic reed coupled to an aluminium foil diaphragm. There are adjusting knobs on each earpiece which vary the spacing between the reed and the magnet - reducing the spacing increases sensitivity, but go too far and the reed sticks to the magnet. This construction is intermediate between traditional and balanced armature, and sensitivity is intermediate also. I beleive the "DLR No 5" balanced armature headphones were made for the military by SG Brown - the military favoured low impedance because the thicker winding wire was more robust and less susceptible to corrosion. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU