Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.219]) by air-de05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDE052-5eb34bfff7de49; Fri, 28 May 2010 13:05:34 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mh07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 94C3E3800668D; Fri, 28 May 2010 13:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OI2ys-0005rP-OB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 18:04:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OI2ys-0005rG-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 18:04:22 +0100 Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([74.208.5.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OI2yq-00047f-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 May 2010 18:04:22 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 May 2010 17:04:13 -0000 Received: from 75-168-133-142.mpls.qwest.net (EHLO [192.168.1.100]) [75.168.133.142] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us005) with SMTP; 28 May 2010 13:04:13 -0400 X-Authenticated: #60769621 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+i9H9XkLqivGcox4c1b6mxYcRzPKWoW61kg690p3 wmHY9rMgA1KiaL Message-ID: <4BFFF78E.3040208@gmx.com> Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:04:14 -0500 From: "Mike.WE0H" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1C00@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> , <1344257766.4243506.1275063067203.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb035> In-Reply-To: <1344257766.4243506.1275063067203.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb035> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz - Near field test by ear: The "human factor" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60db4bfff7dc4126 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) We all started in tiny baby steps in life. It goes the same with=20 successful radio experiments. Start out with small experiments and that=20 can grow to larger experiments. You EU guys are the pioneers of the 8kc=20 band. Mike WE0H Horst S wrote: > Hello dreamers >=20 > Unbelievable: 400m at by ear reception with only 4 Watt and a small=20 > earth base? At my QTH at city environment my 30m earth base at about 300= =20 > W did not work. At my T-antenna the 300 W were just good for only 100=20 > meters. >=20 > Of course one limiting factor still is the influence of trees and buildi= ngs. >=20 > But what is the influence of the different frequencies used? I did my=20 > tests around 8.9 kHz. Now I reproduced them with 1 kHz but the=20 > audibility did not improve. I testet the other frequencies in 1kHz steps= =20 > up to 8.9 kHz with the same results. So I am sure that I hear more ore= =20 > less linear in that frequency range. So the different frequencies can=20 > not be the reason for my lower "ODX". >=20 > In the next step I tried to hear not a single frequency but a 1 kHz=20 > stepped sweep signal between 2 and 8.9 kHz and later a DFCW signal 2.5= =20 > and 3 kHz. The sweep signal was clearly audible at more than double the= =20 > range. My "ODX" increased to nearly 300 Meters just by ear. >=20 > The effect seems to be more psychological. I heard the stepped sweep=20 > signal much better than its single frequencies. >=20 > Could it improve the audibility to go from A1 to A2 by just modulating= =20 > the carrier with an other? I assume an oscillator like XR2206 is not=20 > stable enough but possibly worth a try. >=20 > Possibly anybody knows a software that achieves creating a testfile. >=20 > But this is not of priority. >=20 > Tomorrow I'll do another near field test with an eField antenna at my=20 > roof top. >=20 > One can discuss sense or nonsense of this walk around tests. To me it's= fun. >=20 > Of course other more DX related (OK, I hope so.) tests will follow=20 > within the next weeks. Yesterday I conducted most of my material for the= =20 > earth base test coming soon. The most important: about 800m crude wire= =20 > are now on a reel. I don't know how often I crossed the soccer field in= =20 > my neighbourhood . . . >=20 > vy73 Horst DO1KHS/DI2AN > =20 >=20 > NEU: WEB.DE DSL f=C3=BCr 19,99 EUR/mtl. und ohne Mindest-Laufzeit! =20 > http://produkte.web.de/go/02/ >=20