Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.224]) by air-df02.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDF021-5ee64bb1617b6; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:27:07 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-df12.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id D6EBA380000D0; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NwR9U-0003rd-MH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:26:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NwR9U-0003rU-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:26:00 +0100 Received: from mail-pw0-f43.google.com ([209.85.160.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NwR9R-0003h2-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 03:26:00 +0100 Received: by pwi8 with SMTP id 8so7821703pwi.16 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:25:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=re4o6EaXgK6Zcui1qGzAhJRobcvuwVmgCB4hxxSYU9o=; b=Wp5409/V84MLXQx4gAE4ZPttcrvF0/YSS/Xzqp+tN+eph3YD4EfcDE+V+sAEf6A4Yb faXNrbCkUMOzKEQsn6X4LYWYz7EYl6iGnfsAauSPHQ8KLbJ1eEYwFmPFENav/0JTqskR fpkNyr1O3DDrO6eFwxn/XYqbhYaPrF4kUTA8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Au/flTDJxKj5Zy0jN+iNbSQz0o5yviou933bWnKMhcOkpYHv2K8lsFwDyyiBC8Q68P FKKdUXGvkyii/VatXiUkDEJxxdx930qVOGuaOfJRZcnSVMmxw+5hGGCU5cnmdEYnAXst FZG3TCqtYWIhdk24n8yra0HJJ/n0YFFkMfvlI= Received: by 10.141.101.19 with SMTP id d19mr5289737rvm.154.1269915950470; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.252.100] ([166.82.181.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b2sm1784676rvn.18.2010.03.29.19.25.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BB1611B.5010700@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:25:31 -0400 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Messenger 9.0a1 (Windows/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "paulc@snet.net >> W1VLF" References: In-Reply-To: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: PF per Meter dependant on wire size? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m223.2 ; domain : gmail.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40e04bb161797bd5 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Paul A. Cianciolo wrote: > Then there is matter of trees. > Just finished reading about Jim Moritz experiment measuring tree current. > My tower has many behind it 2 acres of trees that are 60' high > I am afraid now that any current I do manage to get into the air will all be > shunted to ground!!!! > > His experiments were done at 137 so perhaps this loss might be less at > 9KHz?? > Paul, My 137/500 khz antenna is surrounded by trees with the top hat wires running over the trees, the house and buildings. Yet my signal gets out fairly well. Such is detrimental but not an RF shunt. Dex