Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.207]) by air-db03.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDB034-86974bad1a301da; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:33:52 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 84FC5380000FF; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NvGCg-00083d-6P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:32:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NvGCf-00083U-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:32:25 +0000 Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net ([195.67.226.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NvGCc-0000lW-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:32:25 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (81.235.167.68) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.114) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4B9F4123005363E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:32:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4BAD19D0.300@telia.com> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:32:16 +0100 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Question about ground impedance at 8.97 KHZ Stefan. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60cf4bad1a2e1900 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hi Paul, it sounds like your impedance bridge is measuring the absolute impedance (that is Z = (R^2 + X^2)^0.5 where R is the real part, resistance, and X is the imaginary part, reactance). R is probably a 10 to a few hundred ohms, most of it is ground resistance - it can be neglected - the major part of your impedance is the capacitive reactance of the antenna (Xc). At 9 kHz, where C = 1/(2*Pi*9000*Xc), 70 kOhms means 253pF which is in the ballpark for your 170' wire (about 5pF/m). 73 Johan SM6LKM ---- Paul A. Cianciolo wrote: > > Hello All, > > Below is a quote from the Stefan's web page concerning his latest "Dreamers Band" DX contact Congratulations again Stefan. >>From this information alone is it possible to calculate or know the antenna system impedance. > > > > > "100m Vertical wire antenna, coil/antenna voltage was abt 15kV rms, average antenna current about 480mA, giving up to 1,7mW ERP. Applied power was up to 250W." > > Pertaining to the coil "Technical and mechanical data: L=553mH, Q=82, R(DC)=283 Ohm; 0,4mm diameter enameled copper wire, about 1200 turns! Average diameter 0,55m, height abt 0,5m. So, about 2000m wire! :-)" > > > > I have built a small impedance bridge that operates at 10 KHZ and shows my sloping 170' wire as 70K Ohms. I can also see approx 500 PF that can be nulled out using the bridge? > > Can the 70K value possibly be correct? (3) 6' ground rods about 6' apart are the ground... plus the electrical ground of the house. > > I am hoping to attempt a local transmission on 9KHZ > > Any information would be helpful. > > Thank you > > Paul > > W1VLF > > > > >