Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.209]) by air-ma09.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMA093-b5364ba00676246; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:30:14 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-mg09.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 97E6A38000088; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrfGK-0000MF-Gs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:29:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrfGK-0000M5-4R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:29:20 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrfGE-0007RR-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:29:20 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA6E32783E for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:26:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2GMT458027590 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:29:04 GMT Message-ID: <4BA00630.9070300@abelian.org> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:29:04 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <910844.27140.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4B9FDFA7.7090208@gmx.com> <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B5D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> In-Reply-To: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E82A1B5D@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: AW: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60d14ba006745e03 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Stefan schrieb: > The most enjoyable finding (within ham experiments)is, that the > E field decay relly seems to be rather ~ 1/sqrt(d) than ~1/d :-) 1/sqrt(d) is doing better than 1/d, so far with just one data point to go by. > Does that mean that if the ERP is 3dB higher (21kV instead of the > 15kV i had yesterday), the maximum distance will be 4 times the > old distance, ideally? There is also an attenuation factor. Approx 3dB per 1000km in daylight, and 2dB/1000km at night, at 10kHz. Combine that with 1/sqrt(d) and we are getting a good match with your measured flux density. The D layer is quite absorbing to higher frequencies, but at VLF it is more of a mirror. It is appropriate then to look at propagation in terms of cavity modes, as compared to following rays. 9kHz is a bad frequency - background noise is highest there because lightning energy couples well to the Earth-ionosphere cavity at that frequency, giving a broad peak in the noise spectrum. Better might be say 2kHz, just above the waveguide cut-off frequency, where noise is low. Obviously lower ERP but maybe the lower noise more than compensates? Must do some arithmetic... (Always there is more arithmetic. Flying kites sounds nice.) Earth 'loops'? Could work in some situations. Limestone country with underground stream to complete the loop? Top to bottom of a long rocky escarpment, forcing current to go the long way round? Oxbow bend in a stream over rock or clay? Hard to model. Easy and fun to test. -- Paul Nicholson --