Return-Path: Received: from mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.141]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINMA082-b5314b9fe921185; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:25:05 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-me05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3315A380000F9; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NrdIz-0007aw-7w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:23:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NrdIy-0007an-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:23:56 +0000 Received: from mailout-us.gmx.com ([74.208.5.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NrdIv-0006d2-SN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 20:23:56 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 16 Mar 2010 20:23:45 -0000 Received: from 75-168-150-7.mpls.qwest.net (EHLO [192.168.1.100]) [75.168.150.7] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us005) with SMTP; 16 Mar 2010 16:23:45 -0400 X-Authenticated: #60769621 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18aCLNqpD8avLPHy7g69se4op0DUmW9d6wAE+xR8V LMM+FrByTPqokj Message-ID: <4B9FE8B7.5030604@gmx.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:23:19 -0500 From: "Mike.WE0H" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641003160659r4a659ae5re0a7a46ca1ba9f43@mail.gmail.com> <910844.27140.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <9afca2641003161304u339c11f4w91c351e5c42b106a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641003161304u339c11f4w91c351e5c42b106a@mail.gmail.com> X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.67000000000000004 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 8.97kHz antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d608d4b9fe9200f1a X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Maybe those cables & pipes would radiate some of the signal? Whatever is used to make the signal go far away is fine. It just might be worth a try to see if the ground loop works in the city. Just like you guys figured out how to make a LF antenna radiate good enough with your tiny backyards, this VLF antenna might work good enough with all the cables, pipes & buildings in the city. Out in the country in the open is always best but to figure out how a city dweller can get out on the VLF band with an antenna in his backyard, this could get more guys on the air. Any antenna is better than no antenna, we have all heard that phrase before. Mike WE0H Roger L wrote: > Thanks Alan. > > Yes I can understand that poor ground conductivity would result in a > larger loop within the ground and that with high conductivity the loop > would be very small. With regard to piping and cables, I'm thinking that > any such tests would have to be done well away from buildings and > property ideally in the middle of a large field out in the country or on > a stretch of moorland perhaps well away from cables and pipes. In an > urban area cables and pipes are everywhere and anything could be happening. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM