Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.15]) by air-di01.mail.aol.com (v127_r1.1) with ESMTP id MAILINDI011-eab64b998a2f94; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:26:23 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id AA9EE380001C4; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Npsh3-0002yi-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:25:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Npsh3-0002yZ-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:25:33 +0000 Received: from parrot.netcom.co.uk ([217.72.171.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Npsh1-00085m-Ra for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:25:33 +0000 Received: from abelian.netcom.co.uk (i-194-106-52-83.freedom2surf.net [194.106.52.83]) by parrot.netcom.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA69D327811 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by abelian.netcom.co.uk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o2C0PPhM003871 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:25:25 GMT Message-ID: <4B9989F5.4060502@abelian.org> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:25:25 +0000 From: Paul Nicholson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <9afca2641003111254v47a0363eicdee899d7c2b3431@mail.gmail.com> <9709F1D41FF74661B0771F657988884F@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <9709F1D41FF74661B0771F657988884F@JimPC> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Induction DX? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600f4b998a2d6be1 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Jim Moritz wrote: > ...single-turn loop current would be about 32A > ...10m diameter > B = 6*10e-15 T > d = cube-root-of( (mu0*r^2*n*I)/2B ) = 4.4km > So quite a long distance (have I got it right?!) Yes, I get the same answer for that loop and current. > 6dB SNR, we need to generate about 6 femto-teslas of > magnetic flux density at the receiver to get a readable > signal. I am finding it is well worth orienting the loop to null the average direction of the prevailing VLF background. There is nearly always around 6dB reduction of background as a result. At times when the background is quite concentrated in one direction, I've seen 10dB reduction. On top of this, blanking the sferics gives another couple of dB or so, depending on level of sferic activity. With this in mind, range could go even further, but then the far field is starting to take over and you can no longer call it just induction. -- Paul Nicholson --