Return-Path: Received: from rly-da02.mx.aol.com (rly-da02.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.76]) by air-da03.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDA032-a514b09d55af6; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:20:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA021-a514b09d55af6; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:20:44 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NCMeE-0006qS-KI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:19:18 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NCMeE-0006qJ-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:19:18 +0000 Received: from mailt.toya.net.pl ([217.113.224.9] ident=postfix) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NCMeC-0006hM-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:19:18 +0000 Received: from mail.toya.net.pl (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6937C20000055 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:19:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.1.103] (unknown [10.11.152.246]) (Authenticated sender: unimlyn) by mail.toya.net.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 57D6A20000051 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:19:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B09D502.8030200@toya.net.pl> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 01:19:14 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?UGlvdHIgTcWCeW5hcnNraQ==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: N-turn TX Loop Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dear LF group, I would like to put for your consideration the issue of multi-turn transmitting loops. Have you ever done such an experiment on LF ? This sunday evening i decided to do some simple math and it turns out that such a N-turn TX loop should work ( at least on the paper) The radiation resistance is proportional to the square of so called "effective height" and this last term can be easily derived for a loop i.e. it is equal to 2*pi*A*N/lambda where A denotes area closed by a loop a N is the number of turns so the radiation resistance for a single turn loop reads as 320*pi^4*A^2/lambda^4 For the N-turns the radiation resistance obtained for a single turn is multiplied by N^2. Ok, the R (ac) is increased as we increase N but this is linear with respect to N and therefore we should have gain in the radiated power. (there is an implicit assumption made: the loop is "small" i.e. the current is constant) i did some calculations: assumed TX power ( and later, perfect match to the loop) 200 Watt environmental loss: 1.5 Ohm, diameter of the wire d = 3 mm, rectangular shape of the loop i.e 10 meters by 20 meters ( less optimal than square or circle ) so A = 200 sq.m For N =1 (classical tx loop) we get R(AC) = 0.62 Ohm ( Rac formula taken from ARRL Antenna Handbook, f = 137.7kHz) radiation resistance RRAD = 55.5 microOhm, total R loss = 2.12 Ohm, efficiency is 0.0026% and radiated pwr 5.2 miliWatts, I = 9.7 Amp. Next, I took N =3 so the wire length is changed from 60 meters to 180, everything else was kept the same and now one gets: R(ac)= 1.85 Ohm so R loss = 3.35 Ohm RRAD = 499.5 microOhm, efficiency increased to 0.015% and radiated pwr abt 30 miliWatt, I=7.7 Amp I am sorry bothering you but i simply would like to learn where is the 'catch' here - if there is one ... I guess the assumed loop i.e. 10 by 20 mters is 'reasonable' as TX antenna i took these values after reading the article about WD2XES first TX loop: 40 feet by 65 feet - well , almost the same dimensions.. :) From practical reasons the N values will likely be small , say, 2 or 3 but as the above numbers show maybe it is worth doing it. 73 de Piotr, sq7mpj qth: Lodz /jo91rs/