Return-Path: Received: from rly-de07.mx.aol.com (rly-de07.mail.aol.com [172.19.170.143]) by air-de03.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINDE033-4ee4aab9daa12d; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:10:24 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-de07.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDE077-4ee4aab9daa12d; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:10:03 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MmSM3-0002Hm-Te for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:09:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MmSM3-0002Hd-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:09:27 +0100 Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MmSL0-0001cJ-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:08:23 +0100 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090912130906.FVQI22327.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:09:06 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([66.189.74.84]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id fp951c00D1p78xe05p95Tl; Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:09:05 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7aKjh0nU-z8A:10 a=MwFoaHyG_Imi7ZkLZ4QA:9 a=BoCvkXuw9pOeJVOltv0EYV4hlfUA:4 Message-ID: <4AAB9D71.2070507@charter.net> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:09:05 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4AAB7F2D.25346.12CA10F@dave.davesergeant.com> <925667FA055F4AEEB8A57B77C90220B3@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <925667FA055F4AEEB8A57B77C90220B3@JimPC> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: WOLF/WSPR Sound card issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Dave, The deviation of the actual sampling rate from the nominal (8000, 11025, etc.) have always been an issue for low bit-rate sound card modes. The newer schemes may produce wider excursions, but that is a problem only if you aren't correcting for it. WOLF has an obvious way to compensate for the actual sound card sampling rate, and once you have done it, the performance will be just as good as it would be if the rate were exactly equal to the nominal. If you have an accurate tone source, just use it in the WOLF calibration process, and you'll be all set. Other tone sources include Loran-C and divided-down outputs of higher frequency well-calibrated oscillators. As you point out, the WSPR program does not seem to have a way to compensate for far-off actual sampling rates. But WSPR's author, K1JT, has a jack-of-all-trades program called WSJT that DOES allow for calibration. WSPR is one of a number of modes offered in WSJT. So, that might be a way out for those stuck with on-board audio setups. That said, I've never had a sampling rate issue with WSPR on any of my various computers, a couple of which sample pretty far off the mark. If you think this stuff is fussy, try BPSK at 1 bit/sec where your only adjustment is a trimmer cap in a crystal oscillator. Been there. John, W1TAG