Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (rly-mg09.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.115]) by air-mg09.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMG094-a354a8dc80831a; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:03:06 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg09.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG097-a354a8dc80831a; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:02:50 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MeFho-0000HM-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:02:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MeFhn-0000HD-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:01:59 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MeFh5-0005VL-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:01:16 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-15-41.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.15.41] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MeFhh-0001vp-N4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:01:53 +0100 Message-ID: <4A8DCBCF.6020606@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:18:55 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Windows/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: , <002e01ca2057$32c9a5c0$0900a8c0@AM> <4A8B9246.29046.10FABD@dave.davesergeant.com> <20090819130355.252210@gmx.net> <4D0A429582694836812C0FB6FDCADEDD@mjusamsung> <002901ca21bb$ba45ad90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <002901ca21bb$ba45ad90$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Tree noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) mal hamilton wrote: > Like I have said in the past several times I am surprised how many > LF/MF operators have loops strung from tree branches and in amongst > trees and claim they are perfect, especially those in the USA. > Most of the rf is being absorbed by the trees, perhaps a little > escapes. Compared to loops little and large sited out in the clear > they are poor performers at LF/MF > Serious LF/MF operators should look for a QTH out in the clear > avoiding serious obstacles like trees and close in buildings. Why > struggle to reinvent the wheel when one has options like CABLE, MOBILE > PHONES AND THE INTERNET to surf and chase LL DX. The antennas at G3AQC were supported by the numerous trees around his QTH - not an antenna mast in sight; although he was only a 100m away from a muddy estuary at Bosham. As he put out the strongest signal on LF it might be a case of what is in the ground is perhaps more important as to what is in the air. Regards Peter, G3LDO