Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (rly-mh03.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.139]) by air-mh01.mail.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILINMH014-bc748b665b0348; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:45:56 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH037-bc748b665b0348; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:45:40 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KYd89-0002Nf-Ub for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KYd89-0002NW-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:25 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KYd87-0001E6-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:25 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E36824A010 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from 212.137.53.1 (proxying for unknown) (SquirrelMail authenticated user gm4slv) by sighthound.demon.co.uk with HTTP; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:40 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <49074.212.137.53.1.1219913140.squirrel@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:45:40 +0100 (BST) From: "John P-G GM4SLV" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: 531 khz Faroe Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : post.thorcom.com ; SPF_helo = n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: domain : sighthound.demon.co.uk ; SPF_822_from = n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) PPS The fact remains that you, with your superior expertise, could detect "not a trace of any sideband noise". You didn't say in your original, usually terse, message whether at your distance they were "interfering with other BC stations or Navtex". I'm not surprised they weren't, for you. You in fact said there was "not a trace of any sideband noise" which is a different statement altogether. It hints at a more scientific quantitative approach. Using sensitive equipment might show traces of spurious noise or spectral broadening, even though there's no real interference to the acceptable reception of adjacent BC or Navtex signals, if they are strong enough to overcome the low level of interference, at your location. There undoubtedly was a problem with the transmitter concerened. What was the purpose of your email indicating that you couldn't detect these problems? All it showed was that despite reportedly receiving a "S9" signal you were incapable of analysing this "Extremely Strong" BC signal, which was, at the admission of those responsible, suffering gross over modulation and spectral broadening. You would have been better to have said nothing. "Better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and prove it" The engineering staff at the station concerened have now reduced the modulation depth (although to a rather low level of 40%, symmetrical, with no DCC, at present), and the spectral occupancy has fallen to a normal, or slightly narrow, 4.8kHz, as measured off air here this morning. Keep bashing your morse key on top band. Leave the experimentation and technical work to those more capable. J > PS > At this distance the transmitter on 531 khz is not interfering with other > BC stations on adjacent frequencies, nor is it interfering with with 518 or 490 navtex transmissions. > G3KEV > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mal hamilton > To: rsgb > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:52 AM > Subject: LF: 531 khz Faroe > > > This BC station on 531Khz is S9 with me daytime and not a trace of any > sideband noise at this distance. I have a sea path to the Faroes, good reception. > likewise the Shetland Islands > G3KEV