Return-Path: <majordom@post.thorcom.com> Received: (qmail 2170 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:23:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:23:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 7127 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2002 18:23:05 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Feb 2002 18:23:05 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQMh-000825-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:12:15 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16bQMc-00081z-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 18:12:10 +0000 Received: from DL4YHF@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id l.49.187c719c (4050) for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:10:44 -0500 (EST) From: DL4YHF@aol.com Message-ID: <49.187c719c.299d57a4@aol.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 13:10:44 EST Subject: LF: RE^3: GPS Locked PSK To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Mailer: AOL 6.0 for Windows XP DE sub 50 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: <majordom@post.thorcom.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hi Andy and group, <BR> <BR>Andy G4JNT wrote: <BR> <BR>> Is there a reluctance to build extra hardware these days ? <BR>> <BR>> But I supppose that anyone who doesn't use the Windoze operting system <BR>> now is behind the times and "Not with it!". An attitude seen more and <BR>> more these days until the advantage of simple software performing <BR>> real time decoding is demonstrated to them. <BR> <BR>No reluctance to build extra hardware ! <BR>But consider how difficult is to get some of the DSP's, CPU's, evaluation boards etc these days for those non-professionals. Waiting a couple of weeks for that 'very special semiconductor', paying a lot of pounds/dollars/euros for it, and -worst case- blowing the chip before the first sign of life can be as annoying as writing windoze software. <BR>Don't let us go into a fruitless debate of 'pro' and 'contra' using modern PCs, my very personal opinion is this: If we have these pentium PCs etc, why not try to make the most use of it, with or without extra hardware ? <BR> <BR> <BR>Apart from this: <BR>The phase-over-time plot works (the polar phase plot not yet), so if anyone is interested to spend a few hours on a building-site called 'Spectrum Lab' try it. It is available at www.qsl.net/dl4yhf. The current version is "V1.67 b4", but this may change very soon. <BR> <BR>For a quick start, to receive Andy's PSK CW transmission, open the 'Time domain scope' window (from 'View/Window'), select the preset "Phase meter for 15625 Hz", overwrite the 'L.O.' frequency with the precise audio frequency from of your receiver, usually 650Hz..800Hz if the receiver is set to 'CW'. <BR>Before Andy's test transmission, use a known stable frequeny (like 77.5kHz) to 'calibrate' your RX if it's not GPS-disciplined. Either use a high-resolution spectrum or waterfall to find the correct value for the phase meter's 'L.O. frequency', or adjust the L.O. frequency by "trial and error" until the phase graph gives a horizontal line (the phase plot for the LEFT audio input will be green, the phase for the RIGHT audio input red). <BR>The decimation factor can be set on the "Acquisition+Trigger" tab (subject to change), the preset value is 4096 which gives a bandwidth of less than 44100 Hz / (2*4096) = 5.38Hz. You can set the decimation factor MUCH higher for lower bandwidth, for 10 second dots a good value may be 20736, resulting bandwidth less than 1 Hz, and the time scale covering about 300 seconds if the screen is maximized. <BR>About the stability of the despised soundcard: Mine is stable enough to observe the phase of a TV sync signal (15625Hz) over 5 minutes with less than 45 degrees phase drift, but the PC must be running for a couple of hours before. The error at lower audio frequencies should be less. If this is still too much: Permanently determining the soundcard's clock error with a GPS-derived signal on one of the stereo input channels may be a solution, though it sounds like 'overkill' to me. Better build a stand-alone high-precision audio generator and use it to replace the 'L.O.' for the phase meter. Now we are back in the hardware business, hooray :-) <BR> <BR> <BR>Sorry for the lengthy windoze-biased message. <BR> <BR>Looking forward for your transmission on friday, <BR> <BR>Wolf DL4YHF. <BR> <BR></FONT></HTML>