Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-ma04.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A7894380000F2; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 15:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RxOuG-0007ES-KF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:23:20 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RxOuG-0007EJ-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:23:20 +0000 Received: from nm2-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RxOuE-0003g9-JA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:23:19 +0000 Received: from [217.146.183.197] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 20:23:12 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm3.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 20:23:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Feb 2012 20:23:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 610102.72481.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47841 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2012 20:23:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=E1qHq3l/rouiNSjpEd5/8z2g8Cl6gYR9B+g2pZsb08/8pDBaAvqY/KxW0IViExgiJpS3Z6btyUBvKxZy5Szj8Vs1Z//bw3RCGgDb5B1Pot82Me9jTMEtSU83oVL10lpW4aUhhTj/7uwuVSe+PRsDvtMu0iot9QWFtJRfv8YI2GI= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1329250992; bh=kULV3KtoNR2yZPcHjZt2zKjTb79dzhh4ANUdAe0XnmM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=K6Ynl1c2c6IJrx/QVRiBw/8M09XBEYqrXboDO7O9j5vb0q99z47nhYnhj5hKf5gAjOk0el9dT37aBQb5tLVT18TFK5rMM9fvLc3nk3uGiEKLEgkDTEEfqN7YGuOMjWRetNnOuMFeSu2HVQTngscwjVRUbMOHOMW2GSYtEsY6Qk8= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: iKg27GoVM1lbmoEYhPRT4FJhDmYFMqWoCavjHAVWGiCgvan HE9N2asXqFheOxSACrvXYBu1vDP4D_KKtf8WzroLsGgbcK9zBHWdCMN_LqZ4 DqIS7qRxdvmhA.9DrVv4d0Ru7WBN4Oy96cRQ1Ha3c4DZT_bRBnI.DDnxkuUX Z9KgES50aOoYgcg6e5SLXIP_HLQptx5ebbvHjfmxl4LneTAcf_HkKkfeIl5I 0tkwilxvN3D4VormcahBQn6AdPKuo3k_vbFXCyrvMnBRNpNVo.hmQ_lrIisc Gse5PG8MB73VY9VDrMNRBFzqioKjW8hevoffTcHRISmWBW9ajApDp6ppPHTm yfuPumMCgaKR3nmCRR.90mdAPEvr0lvu7F7wbpg6QQE76uBM4ayVrwUkmD1L Xw7S6bzaLelKO3fHnV9bk5vH78Xk8cmrg X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.185.144.57 with login) by smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2012 20:23:12 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <480C36EBBB9D49C199B80B1701E4CBB6@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <004f01cceb36$0d2435e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008901cceb3f$1c9278d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <64BBE2766733482DA05BDC89731E2BFE@TraceyPC> <009301cceb49$c67e2ec0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> In-Reply-To: <009301cceb49$c67e2ec0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:23:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:412286368:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m201.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600c4f3ac58f5fed X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Mal, LF group, > I just had a listen and you are correct in fact I doubt if there is enough > space for any radio amateur to communicate without interference from such > beacons. So which beacons can you hear? On what frequencies? Remember it is the beacons who will be the primary band users when the 475kHz band comes into being, so the primary concern will be us amateurs not interfering with them, rather than the other way round. > Next question who was the person or persons that recommended this part of > the MF spectrum for radio amateur use ?? It is more a matter of amateurs struggling to gain access to any part of this frequency range - remember, these frequencies have been fully occupied for nearly a century now. The incumbents are tenaciously defending their spectrum "territory" even if they are not really using it for anything. Getting allocated any segment of spectrum is a triumph that required a lot of hard work by many national amateur societies on behalf of their members. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU