Return-Path: Received: from rly-da06.mx.aol.com (rly-da06.mail.aol.com [172.19.129.80]) by air-da06.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA063-a7547a798cd1e3; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:59:32 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-da06.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDA065-a7547a798cd1e3; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:59:27 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JMAHD-0007LS-Bl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:58:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JMAHC-0007LJ-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:58:58 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JMAH7-0007rj-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:58:57 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51D25CB1 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:58:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID502mBDw7p2005X02; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:58:41 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID502mBDw7p2005X02 Received: from [192.168.1.2] [151.47.212.83] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ESMTPA/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.40M) with ESMTPA id 277mBDw7n0404M36; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:58:39 -0000 X-USANET-Auth: 151.47.212.83 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.1.2] Message-ID: <47A798A1.6090302@usa.net> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:58:41 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> <002501c86748$60c727f0$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> In-Reply-To: <002501c86748$60c727f0$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID277mBDw7n0404X36 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.242 Subject: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello Alberto, > > Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers. > Someone had the following question: > --- snip --- Hi Roelof, that question was posed in the SDR-IQ Yahoo group, and I have answered there. For the benefit of the readers of this group that are not subscribed to that other group, I'm doing a copy-and-paste of my answer here below. 73 Alberto I2PHD ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > When using a sound card with programs such as WinRad or Spectran, how > important is the sound card quality for signal processing? Does the > sound card do any processing in decodind or displaying the signals or > is this all done in the Spectran software? > > Sound cards are available for $20, others cost over $250. Will the > higher cost sound card imrove processing or decoding? Al, the short answer is yes. The sound card does not do any processing of the signal, apart from converting it from analog form to the digital realm. So what really matters in a sound card is the quality of its ADC and of the analog stages that are in front of it. All that is what determines the dynamic range, which is the ratio between the strongest signal that the card is capable to digitize without overloading and the weakest signal that can be reliably extracted from the background noise (explained in simplified form). All the processing is then done by the program that runs on the PC. So when you buy a sound card, read carefully the specs about the dynamic range and the noise. The problem is that those specs are generally related to the intended use of a sound card, i.e. acquiring and playing back audio... for SDR the requirements are a bit more stringent. So that's why the M-Audio Audiophile 192 card, excellent on paper, is a mediocre performer for SDR applications... it has been measured as having an excellent noise performance up to about 30 kHz, but then the noise pedestal grows significantly when you go up in frequency... so its use at 96 or 192 kHz sampling rate for applications where you have significant signal components above 30 kHz , like an SDR application, is not recommended. If you are in search of a good sound card, the measures performed not by me, but by some other SDR enthusiasts, all point to the EMU-1212M, which seems to have a very good performance/price ratio, especially if you buy it second hand on eBay. If you want to spend a little less, but still obtaining decent performance, albeit inferior to the 1212M, a good candidate could be the M-Audio Delta 44, that is widespread about the SDR community. All of the above of course is valid if you use the sound card as input, i.e. if you have a Tayloe-type mixer like the various Softrock incarnations. Instead if you use a direct RF sampling receiver, like the SDR-IQ, the subject of this group, disregard all of the above, as in this case the sound card is used only for the playback of the demodulated audio, and the cheap AC'97 chipset found on every motherboard is more than enough for this. 73 Alberto I2PHD