Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (rly-dc07.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.36]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILINDC021-b2f4714bb9253; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:24:43 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc07.mx.aol.com (v119.12) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC073-b2f4714bb9253; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:24:36 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IhmOo-0000Pk-VE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:23:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1IhmOo-0000Pb-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:23:54 +0100 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IhmOm-0007Ku-3a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:23:54 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.1.4]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6AFDA537 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:23:25 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4714BB87.6060006@sighthound.demon.co.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:24:23 +0100 From: John GM4SLV User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c80e86$d700cea0$48e4fc3e@g3kev> <338459.59210.qm@web28106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20071014193031.07a5ae31@lurcher.twatt.local> <20071014231737.jr38sns9bio8s4kg@webmail.versatel.de> <003c01c80f53$ab27e5c0$70e4fc3e@g3kev> <0Xyo0YAVyKFHFwoO@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0Xyo0YAVyKFHFwoO@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: MF acty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) David Pratt wrote: > You won't be hearing any beacons or data from me on 501-504kHz > I presume that UK stations operating Beacons on 501-504kHz and on 136kHz > must have special permits to do so. I do not. > > 73 > Dave, LF, On your first point (above) I'm disappointed not to have heard any A1A CW from you yet either. Perhaps we could arrange a sked? On the second point. I take the term "beacon" in the context of 500kHz in its colloquial sense - ie a transmission intended for reception by unspecified stations, not in any strict legal definition, as per the license documents. In the manner I use "beacons" I think I'm within the terms of the license. For one thing they aren't "unattended" as I'm always in the shack, or an adjacent room. What's the difference between a fully legal QRSS-30 (after all that's just A1A-CW) transmission taking 10 hours intended for visual reception and a repetitive 10-15wpm CW callsign lasting the same length of time? Neither are necessarily "beacons" just because they are of a protracted length. At least the proper speed CW is interesting to listen to. The clauses that I see to be relevant:- 1(1)(a) Self-training - including technical investigation 11(4)(a) Initial Calls It could even be argued that clause 7(5) could come into play. My own "beacon" transmissions are in reality "initial calls" which are permitted as signals for "general reception". I'd love someone to answer. Many people do, although generally by QSL card or email. I see nothing in the regulation that specifies how long or short the "initial call" must be. As long as I identify with my callsign every 15 minutes then all seems to be in order? Must I return to RX mode and "tune high to low and low to high" every now and then during my "initial call" to satisfy you? That's easily arranged. To further satisfy you I'll change the message from "GM4SLV" to "CQ de GM4SLV" to avoid any doubt that it's an "initial call".....? There's too much nit-picking going on at the moment, and not enough serious work! I've just listened to G3UNT calling CQ on 501.xx fruitlessly (I'm at work listening to my RX audio via the internet). Instead of all the moaning about what we can and can't do perhaps someone could have worked him. If I can hear him in Shetland, in the daytime, then I'm sure someone in the home counties who is perhaps retired or off work could also have also done so and could have had a useful QSO to add to the knowledge base of the 500kHz community in this country, and beyond. Regards, John GM4SLV