Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mc02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 3716F38000091; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:04:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RxamB-000119-Uo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:03:47 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RxamB-000110-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:03:47 +0000 Received: from out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Rxam8-0000HM-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:03:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAK9zO09Z8+sa/2dsb2JhbABDmwKVZoEIgXIBAQQBCE4CBg4KCAYBBAUDAwQNBAEBCiUzBhYIBhMICYdrA7VBjHoBAYMrEgo9CQKCTGMEglyFPIU6mkg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.73,422,1325462400"; d="scan'208,217";a="24390486" Received: from host-89-243-235-26.as13285.net (HELO TraceyPC) ([89.243.235.26]) by out1.ip07ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 15 Feb 2012 09:03:38 +0000 Message-ID: <468F824A35C6467F87D33DABB23A367D@TraceyPC> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <6C05E5021A484E229E4D20124C3D4AA9@TraceyPC> <002d01cceb30$87c42cc0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4F3A8898.40302@xs4all.nl> <004f01cceb36$0d2435e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <008901cceb3f$1c9278d0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <64BBE2766733482DA05BDC89731E2BFE@TraceyPC> <009301cceb49$c67e2ec0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <480C36EBBB9D49C199B80B1701E4CBB6@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <480C36EBBB9D49C199B80B1701E4CBB6@JimPC> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 09:03:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio Allocation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_043A_01CCEBC0.B330F4C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:458235776:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d604a4f3b75287fda X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_043A_01CCEBC0.B330F4C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jim I had a very brief listen last night and heard the following. RP 474.878kHz Malacky - Kuchyna, Slovakia 1347km = =20 PT 473.983kHz Petrovskoye, Russia 2744km BIA 475.034kHz Rzeszow / Jasionka, Poland 1604km TIG 475.965kHz Kutaisi, Georgia 3392km VIB 478.991kHz Viterbo, Italy 1506km USG 474.407kHz Unidentified 73s Tracey G5VU ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:23 PM Subject: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio = Allocation > Dear Mal, LF group, >=20 >> I just had a listen and you are correct in fact I doubt if there is = enough >> space for any radio amateur to communicate without interference from = such >> beacons. >=20 > So which beacons can you hear? On what frequencies? >=20 > Remember it is the beacons who will be the primary band users when the = > 475kHz band comes into being, so the primary concern will be us = amateurs not=20 > interfering with them, rather than the other way round. >=20 >> Next question who was the person or persons that recommended this = part of >> the MF spectrum for radio amateur use ?? >=20 > It is more a matter of amateurs struggling to gain access to any part = of=20 > this frequency range - remember, these frequencies have been fully = occupied=20 > for nearly a century now. The incumbents are tenaciously defending = their=20 > spectrum "territory" even if they are not really using it for = anything.=20 > Getting allocated any segment of spectrum is a triumph that required a = lot=20 > of hard work by many national amateur societies on behalf of their = members. >=20 > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_043A_01CCEBC0.B330F4C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Jim
 
I had a very brief listen last night and heard the following.
 
RP 474.878kHz     Malacky - Kuchyna,  = Slovakia=20 1347km           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp; =20
PT 473.983kHz      Petrovskoye, Russia=20 2744km
BIA  475.034kHz   Rzeszow / Jasionka, Poland=20 1604km
TIG 475.965kHz    Kutaisi, Georgia 3392km
VIB 478.991kHz   Viterbo, Italy 1506km
USG 474.407kHz  Unidentified
 
73s Tracey G5VU
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com= >
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:23 PM
Subject: LF: Re: WRC-12 Approves the New 472-479 kHz Amateur Radio=20 Allocation

> Dear Mal, LF group,
>
>> I just had = a listen=20 and you are correct in fact I doubt if there is enough
>> space = for any=20 radio amateur to communicate without interference from such
>>=20 beacons.
>
> So which beacons can you hear? On what=20 frequencies?
>
> Remember it is the beacons who will be the = primary=20 band users when the
> 475kHz band comes into being, so the = primary=20 concern will be us amateurs not
> interfering with them, rather = than the=20 other way round.
>
>> Next question who was the person = or=20 persons that recommended this part of
>> the MF spectrum for = radio=20 amateur use ??
>
> It is more a matter of amateurs = struggling to=20 gain access to any part of
> this frequency range - remember, = these=20 frequencies have been fully occupied
> for nearly a century now. = The=20 incumbents are tenaciously defending their
> spectrum "territory" = even if=20 they are not really using it for anything.
> Getting allocated = any=20 segment of spectrum is a triumph that required a lot
> of hard = work by=20 many national amateur societies on behalf of their members.
> =
>=20 Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
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