X-GM-THRID: 1236142525855550516 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs308037hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.131.8 with SMTP id e8mr741103hud.1178878528864; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 30si6905070ugf.2007.05.11.03.15.23; Fri, 11 May 2007 03:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmS4k-0004bO-5N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:10:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmS4j-0004bF-NM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:10:13 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmS4i-0006OF-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:10:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 51825 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 10:10:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@81.132.254.161 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 10:10:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: .pSlQnIVM1mYpZu.bQW4zpiT6vEpbWwQRc7Kbo2Fb68aIqJE3iNJtiP9W.f9ESpmdcZ.soblR6kJbUAfxyoBb8Q- From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:10:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46444F0D.15552.10BC551@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <20070511095015.6B25E2E68F3@smtps01> References: <001e01c7933b$4ae4a340$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER>, <20070511090338.CDF26559A@mta-fe.casema.nl>, <20070511095015.6B25E2E68F3@smtps01> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz loop antenna ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2745 On 11 May 2007 at 11:52, Rik Strobbe wrote: > Dear all, > > did anyone try a loop antenna (for transmitting) on 500 kHz ? > As the radiation resistance of a small loop increases with the 4th > power of the frequency a loop should be about 22 dB more efficient on > 500 kHz compared to 136 kHz. A rather modest 100 m^2 loop should have > a radiation resistance of about 0.0024 Ohm and thus require only 6.5 A > antennacurrent to get 0.1 W ERP. For a vertical the gain is "only" > about 11 dB (plus whatever is gained from lower losses). > > 73, Rik ON7YD Interesting thought Rik. When I finally get my 10m vertical resonated I will see how that performs and if it fails I have two choices - my 110ft low long wire (terrible on 160m) or put my 136kHz loop back up. But remember that 'only 6.5A' is rather a lot more antenna current than most of us use on the band and a lot more than my single transistor PA will do. The TX is now finished, apart from sorting out a netting method. First time I connected it to the antenna I found the SWR was infinite! Yesterday I lashed up a simple impedance meter (effectively a noise bridge with the 'noise' from my sig genny. That showed me that it had a beautiful resonance on 160m, where it worked before I added the extra loading coil. I have just reconfigured the connections to the loading so about to check it again and hopefully resonate it on the right frequency. All part of our experimentation! You used to be able to see my 136kHz loop on Google Earth but they have just updated their mapping and it is no longer there (which is right!!) 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com