Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1102; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TINY_FONT,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u2VCEVsK009303 for ; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:14:31 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1albMo-0001H3-Le for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:26 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1albMn-0001Gu-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:25 +0100 Received: from smtpout1.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.29] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1albMh-0006VJ-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:24 +0100 Received: from AGB ([95.150.81.212]) by mwinf5d01 with ME id cc6E1s00C4arGrj03c6E38; Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:06:18 +0200 X-ME-Helo: AGB X-ME-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 14:06:18 +0200 X-ME-IP: 95.150.81.212 Message-ID: <44EB949E5E394E2AB96F8C8E418C6344@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <094E96255B2D4EE9886317C115E7E5D9@Clemens0811> <56FAAB35.4060607@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <56FAAB35.4060607@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 13:06:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Scan-Signature: 90527bbaf85ae187466e07a00a0b8d25 Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] RE: Cheap and nasty sources - was LF: DK7FC WSPR bad quality problem Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01D18B4E.1AD176A0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7529 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D18B4E.1AD176A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting Wolf..=20 That may be a way round the 'gray noise' issues , especially if the = loops are executed in 'real time' , no higher calls in the = system, that's the problem with the PI, the timing loops are = subject to the occasional 'loss' of cpu access , with a resultant = 'jitter' .... =20 Frequency ? Would depend ,as to how many clock pulses are required = to execute the 'loop' , 120 steps , would give 1 MHz , but , there = must be embedded routines ? guess , drive could be in the MHz = region , quite clean , when divided down .... Not much different to a dds ? they can produce various comb = spectrums - if all that's needed is a simple state change high/low = , to drive the divide chain, the pic may produce better results ? = ..... =20 73-G, From: Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 5:20 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] RE: Cheap and nasty sources - was LF: DK7FC = WSPR bad quality problem A modern PIC like the dsPIC33EP32GS202 (which I am currently playing = with) can possibly be used for that purpose. It has a multiple = high-speed PWM outputs which can be programmed for periods and pulse = durations with a resolution of 1.04 nanoseconds (!). The datasheets = doesn't clearly state how they achieve this exactly (with a 120 MHz = clock frequency feeding the PWM) but this cheap microcontroller, = designed especially for switching mode power supplies, looks interesting = for LW / MF or even the lower HF spectrum. Possibly the PWM timer is = incremented 8 times per 120 MHz cycle, to arrive at the specified PWM = resolution. With software-based cycle stealing (reprogramming the PWM to omit one = 1.04-ns-step occasionally) there would be some timing jitter and thus = phase noise, but compared with older (slower) PWM units, it's almost = neglectable. Details from the datasheet: http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/70000323g.pdf 73, Wolf DL4YHF . Am 29.03.2016 um 14:54 schrieb Graham: Andy > PIC=20 If the execute times of PIC routines are not subject to IRQ = ..or if they are , could be in a predictable pattern , assuming = nothing else was 'going on' =20 Then , the PIC alone would produce a reasonable drive [ square = wave or pulse] for a class e/d logic divider chain , there = being no need [lf/mf] for the ppl or dds ? how fast , will a pic run? 73-G, =20 From: Andy Talbot=20 Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:04 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] RE: Cheap and nasty sources - was LF: = DK7FC WSPR bad quality problem If you are referring to the close spaced lines making up the spectrum = of the two strong signals, from teh plot you show they appear to be = about 1.5Hz spacing. This is the WSPR symbol rate (actually 1.465Hz) = so the lines visible are the natural sidebands from the WSPR waveform.=20 I'd be surprised if an DDS itself were generating 100Hz sidebands on = its own. Especially a more modern one like the AD9859. Even the = venerable AD9850 doesn't generate stuff only 40dB down. So I'd still = look for other means of 100Hz leakage. Perhaps getting onto the = reference source. I assume the two stations both reporting 100Hz = sidebands are using identical generating hardware ? I use an AD9852 for WSPR and generationg MFSK modes generally, a = device perhaps bit a bit older than the AD9859, but the same family, and = it is certainly clean down to at least -60dBc. When driven from a = higher clock frequency, better still. Andy G4JNT On 27 March 2016 at 19:47, 'Clemens Paul' cpaul@gmx.net = [rsgb_lf_group] wrote: =20 Hello all, I've been watching the 100Hz sideband WSPR multi-decodes also from = the other two strong stations on MW, DH5RAE and DB0ABR.They are located about 65km from me and generate = S9++dB signals here. The deoded sidebands are also about 40dB down. DB0ABR has tried a different power supply to no avail and both = believe that the DDS synthesizer is the culprit. It is a AD9859,see http://www.dj0abr.de/index_english.html I have added a perseus screenshot with a bin width of 0.24Hz showing = strange lines in their signal. I'm not sure if this is the DDS spectrum what we see here. 73 Clemens DL4RAJ=20 >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy = Talbot >Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:06 PM >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk >Subject: Cheap and nasty sources - was LF: DK7FC WSPR bad=20 >quality problem > >It is unfortunate these cheap and simple low power solutions=20 >have come-about at all. The originators who worked out how=20 >to generate a few milliwatts of Rf from very non-purpose=20 >designed hardware presumably never anticipated that eh great=20 >masses would end up connecting this unsuitable kit to high=20 >power amplifiers. I hope they only ever anticipated their=20 >being used for very low power uses. > >As for the R-PI, that really does look like a bad way of=20 >generating narrow band RF. I don't know the details of its=20 >internal hardare, but strongly suspect that it uses a=20 >jittering Fract-N route to generating arbitrary frequencies.=20 > Again, fine for a few milliwats of test signal, but=20 >certainly not for amplification to hundreds of milliwatts. > >If you want a decent high power source, use a DDS chip or a=20 >modern Fract-N synthesizer like the LMX2541. That device has=20 >an internal VCO and an output divider that allows it to=20 >generate as low as 35MHz - and then any external CMSO divider=20 >will allow you to go lower. And they are CLEAN - especially=20 >so when divided down to LF / HF=20 > > >Andy G4JNT > > > > >On 27 March 2016 at 18:14, Graham wrote: > > >=20 > Andy, >=20 > This time its not really Stefan's fault :-,) >=20 > This is a problem , using the raspberry PI , the Pi=20 >processor uses interrupts, which, cause the execution time=20 >of the timing loops to vary slightly , > the 'small' time variations , produce side bands . >=20 > This was evident during the development of a R-PI=20 >routine for sending Opera , as the R-Pi support=20 >documentation is not particularly comprehensive, its 'not'=20 >possible to fully address the i/o functions and as such=20 >there exists a conflict with higher order irq requests .=20 >Producing seemingly random widening of the spectrum,=20 >depending on the irq deployments.=20 >=20 > Ie the pulse train suffers from timing jitter=20 >=20 > The alterative of the U3 beacon key'er , driving=20 >the DDS 'oscillator' is a more elegant solution, but as=20 >noted by Andy [rad-com] some time back, the later U3 with=20 >the PPL suffers from settling time issues , when=20 >commanded with , step frequency changes. these sever to=20 >produce sidebands , at the step changes.=20 >=20 > 73-G,=20 >=20 > > From: F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB =20 > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:36 PM > To: RSGB LF Group =20 > Subject: LF: DK7FC WSPR bad quality problem > > > Hello Stefan. > >=20 > > I am sorry, but this evening you have a very poor=20 >quality WSPR signal on MF with many splatters, I think it is=20 >perhaps due to an overload TX AF level. > >=20 > > That is not in phase with the normal ham spirit. So,=20 >please be kind to stop now your transmission and correct this = problem. > >=20 > > On the way, can you say honnestly if your power is not=20 >over the legal limit ? > >=20 > > Sincerly yours and my best 73 de Andy. > >=20 > > P.S.=20 > >=20 > > Have a look below at some reports last hour showing the=20 >problem : > >=20 > >=20 > >2016-03-26 19:00=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475683=20 > >+12=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >PI4THT=20 > >JO32kf=20 > >336=20 > >338=20 > >2016-03-26 19:00=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475783=20 > >-25=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >PI4THT=20 > >JO32kf=20 > >336=20 > >338 > >2016-03-26 18:50=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475783=20 > >-23=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >PE1RKT=20 > >JO22fb=20 > >418=20 > >316=20 > >2016-03-26 18:50=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475683=20 > >+14=20 > >1=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >PE1RKT=20 > >JO22fb=20 > >418=20 > >316 > >2016-03-26 18:40=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475683=20 > >+12=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >LA8AV=20 > >JO59cs=20 > >1153=20 > >4=20 > >2016-03-26 18:40=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475783=20 > >-24=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >LA8AV=20 > >JO59cs=20 > >1153=20 > >4=20 > >2016-03-26 18:50=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475783=20 > >-28=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >LA3JJ=20 > >JO59bh=20 > >1102=20 > >4=20 > >2016-03-26 18:50=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475683=20 > >+10=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >LA3JJ=20 > >JO59bh=20 > >1102=20 > >4=20 > >2016-03-26 18:40=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475780=20 > >-28=20 > >1=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >G3KEV=20 > >IO94sh=20 > >829=20 > >314=20 > >2016-03-26 18:40=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475679=20 > >+10=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >G3KEV=20 > >IO94sh=20 > >829=20 > >314=20 > >2016-03-26 19:10=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475682=20 > >+13=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >F6CNI=20 > >JN19qb=20 > >389=20 > >266=20 > >2016-03-26 19:10=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475782=20 > >-27=20 > >1=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >F6CNI=20 > >JN19qb=20 > >389=20 > >266=20 > >2016-03-26 18:30=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475682=20 > >+15=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >F5WK=20 > >JN18hp=20 > >452=20 > >261=20 > >2016-03-26 18:30=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475782=20 > >-22=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >F5WK=20 > >JN18hp=20 > >452=20 > >261=20 > >2016-03-26 18:00=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475680=20 > >+19=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >DL6II=20 > >JO30nx=20 > >205=20 > >327=20 > >2016-03-26 18:00=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475780=20 > >-18=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >DL6II=20 > >JO30nx=20 > >205=20 > >327=20 > >2016-03-26 18:50=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475682=20 > >+17=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >DL4RAJ/2=20 > >JN68kj=20 > >326=20 > >109=20 > >2016-03-26 18:50=20 > >DK7FC=20 > >0.475782=20 > >-22=20 > >0=20 > >JN49ik=20 > >1=20 > >DL4RAJ/2=20 > >JN68kj=20 > >326=20 > >109 > >=20 > > > __._,_.___ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Posted by: "Clemens Paul" =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Reply via web post =E2=80=A2 Reply to sender =E2=80=A2 Reply = to group =E2=80=A2 Start a new topic =E2=80=A2 Messages in this topic = (2) =20 Visit Your Group a.. 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Interesting  Wolf..
 
That may be  a  way  round  the  'gray = noise'=20 issues , especially if the   loops are  executed  in = 'real=20 time'  , no higher calls  in the  system,  = that's=20 the  problem with the  PI, the  timing  loops =20 are  subject to the  occasional 'loss' of  cpu  = access=20 ,  with a  resultant=20 'jitter'    ....  
 
Frequency  ?  Would depend ,as to  how many  = clock=20 pulses are  required to  execute  the  'loop' , = 120=20 steps , would give  1 MHz , but  , there  must be  = embedded=20 routines ?   guess ,  drive  could be  in=20 the  MHz region , quite  clean , when  divided  down = ....
 
Not much different  to a dds ? they  can produce =20 various  comb spectrums - if all  that's needed  = is a=20 simple  state change  high/low  , to  drive the = divide =20 chain, the  pic  may produce  better results  ?=20 .....  
 
73-G,

From: Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2016 5:20 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] RE: Cheap and nasty sources - = was LF:=20 DK7FC WSPR bad quality problem

A modern PIC like the dsPIC33EP32GS202 (which I am = currently=20 playing with) can possibly be used for that purpose. It has a multiple=20 high-speed PWM outputs which can be programmed for periods and pulse = durations=20 with a resolution of 1.04 nanoseconds (!). The datasheets doesn't = clearly state=20 how they achieve this exactly (with a 120 MHz clock frequency feeding = the PWM)=20 but this cheap microcontroller, designed especially for switching mode = power=20 supplies, looks interesting for LW / MF or even the lower HF spectrum. = Possibly=20 the PWM timer is incremented 8 times per 120 MHz cycle, to arrive at the = specified PWM resolution.

With software-based cycle stealing=20 (reprogramming the PWM to omit one 1.04-ns-step occasionally) there = would be=20 some timing jitter and thus phase noise, but compared with older = (slower) PWM=20 units, it's almost neglectable.

Details from the = datasheet:

ht= tp://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/70000323g.pdf


73,
  =20 Wolf DL4YHF .

Am 29.03.2016 um 14:54 schrieb = Graham:
Andy > PIC
 
If the  execute  times  of PIC  = routines  are=20 not  subject to   IRQ  ..or if they are , could = be =20 in a predictable pattern , assuming  nothing else was 'going on'=20  
 
Then , the  PIC alone  would  produce a reasonable = drive  [ square  wave or  pulse]   for  = a  =20 class e/d  logic divider  chain , there  being  = no =20 need  [lf/mf]   for the  ppl or dds ?
 
how fast , will  a  pic run?
 
73-G,
 

 
From: Andy = Talbot=20
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] RE: Cheap and nasty sources - = was LF:=20 DK7FC WSPR bad quality problem

If you are referring to the close spaced lines making = up the=20 spectrum of the two strong signals, from teh plot you show they appear = to be=20 about 1.5Hz spacing.  This is the WSPR symbol rate =  (actually=20 1.465Hz) so the lines visible are the natural sidebands from the WSPR=20 waveform.=20

I'd be surprised if an DDS itself were generating 100Hz sidebands = on its=20 own.   Especially a more modern one like the AD9859.   =  Even=20 the venerable AD9850 doesn't generate stuff only 40dB down.   =  So=20 I'd still look for other means of 100Hz leakage.   Perhaps = getting onto=20  the reference source.     I assume the two stations = both=20 reporting 100Hz sidebands are using identical generating hardware = ?

I use an AD9852 for WSPR and generationg MFSK modes generally, a = device=20 perhaps bit a bit older than the AD9859, but the same family, and it = is=20 certainly clean down to at least -60dBc.   When driven from a = higher=20 clock frequency, better still.

Andy  G4JNT


On 27 March 2016 at 19:47, 'Clemens Paul' cpaul@gmx.net=20 [rsgb_lf_group] <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk>=20 wrote:
 =20

Hello all,

I've been watching the 100Hz sideband WSPR=20 multi-decodes also from the other two strong stations on = MW,
DH5RAE and=20 DB0ABR.They are located about 65km from me and generate S9++dB = signals=20 here.
The deoded sidebands are also about 40dB down.
DB0ABR = has tried=20 a different power supply to no avail and both believe that the DDS=20 synthesizer is the culprit.
It is a AD9859,see
http://www.dj0abr.de/index_english.html
I= have=20 added a perseus screenshot with a bin width of 0.24Hz showing = strange lines=20 in their signal.
I'm not sure if this is the DDS spectrum what we = see=20 here.

73
Clemens
DL4RAJ

>-----Original=20 Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
>Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2016 8:06=20 PM
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
>Subje= ct:=20 Cheap and nasty sources - was LF: DK7FC WSPR bad
>quality=20 problem
>
>It is unfortunate these cheap and simple low = power=20 solutions
>have come-about at all. The originators who worked = out how=20
>to generate a few milliwatts of Rf from very non-purpose=20
>designed hardware presumably never anticipated that eh great =
>masses would end up connecting this unsuitable kit to high=20
>power amplifiers. I hope they only ever anticipated their=20
>being used for very low power uses.
>
>As for = the R-PI,=20 that really does look like a bad way of
>generating narrow = band RF. I=20 don't know the details of its
>internal hardare, but strongly = suspect=20 that it uses a
>jittering Fract-N route to generating = arbitrary=20 frequencies.
> Again, fine for a few milliwats of test = signal, but=20
>certainly not for amplification to hundreds of=20 milliwatts.
>
>If you want a decent high power source, = use a DDS=20 chip or a
>modern Fract-N synthesizer like the LMX2541. That = device=20 has
>an internal VCO and an output divider that allows it to=20
>generate as low as 35MHz - and then any external CMSO = divider=20
>will allow you to go lower. And they are CLEAN - especially=20
>so when divided down to LF / HF
>
>
>Andy = G4JNT
>
>
>
>
>On 27 March 2016 at = 18:14,=20 Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk&g= t;=20 wrote:
>
>
>
> Andy,
>
> This = time its=20 not really Stefan's fault :-,)
>
> This is a problem , = using=20 the raspberry PI , the Pi
>processor uses interrupts, which, = cause=20 the execution time
>of the timing loops to vary slightly = ,
>=20 the 'small' time variations , produce side bands .
>
> = This was=20 evident during the development of a R-PI
>routine for sending = Opera ,=20 as the R-Pi support
>documentation is not particularly = comprehensive,=20 its 'not'
>possible to fully address the i/o functions and as = such=20
>there exists a conflict with higher order irq requests .=20
>Producing seemingly random widening of the spectrum,=20
>depending on the irq deployments.
>
> Ie the = pulse=20 train suffers from timing jitter
>
> The alterative of = the U3=20 beacon key'er , driving
>the DDS 'oscillator' is a more = elegant=20 solution, but as
>noted by Andy [rad-com] some time back, the = later=20 U3 with
>the PPL suffers from settling time issues , when=20
>commanded with , step frequency changes. these sever to=20
>produce sidebands , at the step changes.
>
> = 73-G,=20
>
>
> From: F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB <mailto:f6cni@orange.fr>
> = Sent:=20 Saturday, March 26, 2016 8:36 PM
> To: RSGB LF Group = <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >=20
> Subject: LF: DK7FC WSPR bad quality = problem
>
>
>=20 Hello Stefan.
>
>
>
> I am sorry, but this = evening=20 you have a very poor
>quality WSPR signal on MF with many = splatters,=20 I think it is
>perhaps due to an overload TX AF=20 level.
>
>
>
> That is not in phase with = the normal=20 ham spirit. So,
>please be kind to stop now your transmission = and=20 correct this problem.
>
>
>
> On the way, = can you=20 say honnestly if your power is not
>over the legal limit=20 ?
>
>
>
> Sincerly yours and my best 73 de=20 Andy.
>
>
>
> P.S.
>
>=20
>
> Have a look below at some reports last hour showing = the=20
>problem :
>
>
>
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>2016-03-26 18:50
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475683
>
>+10
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>LA3JJ=20
>
>JO59bh
>
>1102
>
>4=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:40
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475780
>
>-28
>
>1=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>G3KEV=20
>
>IO94sh
>
>829
>
>314=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:40
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475679
>
>+10
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>G3KEV=20
>
>IO94sh
>
>829
>
>314=20
>
>2016-03-26 19:10
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475682
>
>+13
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>F6CNI=20
>
>JN19qb
>
>389
>
>266=20
>
>2016-03-26 19:10
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475782
>
>-27
>
>1=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>F6CNI=20
>
>JN19qb
>
>389
>
>266=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:30
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475682
>
>+15
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>F5WK=20
>
>JN18hp
>
>452
>
>261=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:30
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475782
>
>-22
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>F5WK=20
>
>JN18hp
>
>452
>
>261=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:00
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475680
>
>+19
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>DL6II=20
>
>JO30nx
>
>205
>
>327=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:00
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475780
>
>-18
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>DL6II=20
>
>JO30nx
>
>205
>
>327=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:50
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475682
>
>+17
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>DL4RAJ/2=20
>
>JN68kj
>
>326
>
>109=20
>
>2016-03-26 18:50
>
>DK7FC=20
>
>0.475782
>
>-22
>
>0=20
>
>JN49ik
>
>1
>
>DL4RAJ/2=20
>
>JN68kj
>
>326=20
>
>109
>
> =
>
>
>

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