X-GM-THRID: 1205565978448391817 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 60dbceb674089414fdee56d187a4345f7a49e248 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs20069wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.6 with SMTP id o6mr1371011ugg; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k2si1884056ugf.2006.06.08.03.08.15; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoHNI-0005za-E0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoHNH-0005zR-V1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:24 +0100 Received: from mailfe10.swip.net ([212.247.155.33] helo=swip.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoHND-00074k-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:23 +0100 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [213.101.40.118] ([213.101.40.118] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 41806904 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:04:13 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.1/355]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:04:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4487F601.3040300@tele2.se> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:03:45 +0200 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009401c68a79$4bd89980$0300a8c0@lark> <001501c68a7c$b71c97c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <001501c68a7c$b71c97c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.300 Subject: Re: LF: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5226 Peter Martinez wrote: > Checking across the LW band, most of them seem to be some fraction of a > Hz off. The Danish station on 243kHz is "quite" spot on (as is their 1062kHz medium wave TX). These transmitters are said to be checked against some national danish standard and should be within 10E-10 or better. I am at (strong) groundwave distance from the TX and I compared the 243 carrier against a Shera style GPSDO a few years ago. The phase moved around slowly, just a few degrees in many hours. The error was probably on my side because of varying temperature, a "finite cost OCXO", and servo loop time constant of many hours ;-) A nice thing about the 243 carrier, as opposed to many other BC LF carriers, is that it is not wobbled by any phase modulation. Unfortunately, both transmitters, 243 and 1062, will go QRT permanently by the end of the year :-( 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2006-06-02