X-GM-THRID: 1199366284791738298 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a4f269955b535bbfe621bfe77d18113adc2d1bff Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.6 with SMTP id s6cs471wra; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 11:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.14 with SMTP id f14mr1098842nfi; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si207746nfc.2006.04.09.11.44.19; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 11:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FSerc-0004AF-G2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:42:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FSerb-0004A6-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:42:19 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FSg6B-00053J-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:01:30 +0100 Received: from [82.68.48.134] (helo=[192.168.0.113]) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FSerX-0002iu-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:42:15 +0000 Message-ID: <44395583.9070200@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:42:11 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200603311839550854.021DC57E@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <000601c65582$aefd8ec0$cada380a@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <8bf118410604040532gf1861f9r9dfaa0fe2d6f4be1@mail.gmail.com> <004501c657e5$b779fbf0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <004501c657e5$b779fbf0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.68.48.134] X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.300 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby LORAN measurement? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6618 If you are doing measurements.... I went to a conference on time and frequency measurement last year and one comment I got from someone at NPL was that they were unsure whether the LORAN TX was impacting the precision frequency reference at 60KHz. They say that they do not have the resources to do the measurements. It would be interesting if we could determine whether the LORAN TX was having any impact the ability to MSF and Drotwich as precision frequency references. If we could demonstrate an effect we would probably get support from NPL in making a case against the LORAN TX. - Stewart G3YSX Peter Martinez wrote: >> From Peter G3PLX: > > > No, I didn't see it go off either. The first Tuesday in the month is > documented as the Rugby maintenance period, but perhaps the grass > didn't need cutting this month because the weather has been so cold. > > I have written a little program which will measure the SNR of the > LORAN signal on 137kHz, by comparing the amplitude of the > signal-plus-noise to the amplitude of the filtered and smoothed LORAN > pulse alone.It can be done at any time and doesn't need to wait for > them to turn it off and on. The program requires that the soundcard > and the receiver frequency should be accurately calibrated, but the > tools for doing this are contained within the program, using the LORAN > signal itself as a timing and frequency standard. I need to do some > beta tests first, then I will be asking for volunteers to use it to > measure the LORAN SNR at various places around the UK and NW Europe. > The results can be passed to John G3WKL and will be useful in any > campaign to get something done about the LORAN interference on 137kHz. > > 73 > Peter > > > >