Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf05.mail.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILINMF051-9724a68f15c45; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:25:28 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF078-9724a68f15c45; Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:25:18 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7dr-0006Dd-7C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:24:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1MU7dq-0006DU-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:24:02 +0100 Received: from smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1MU7dY-0006zd-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 53084 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2009 23:23:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=1WZEPxaZolky/qhWFZrDMSU74F+devB/mg6VLhGg5PzMpp7uOm+csFElZy89jFTkJK5uVDf6pzkmyD1lkKEhZvy/RU8i58P1RtlMjG9o1zPD/DezJ6ej97261S2SjArZU89/NTEy+6bm9nrpT3j5J60zAm/JfbCmbOAEw7fc5xc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.9.149 with login) by smtp822.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2009 23:23:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: aQ4eyY4VM1ns9X_v4gkpYr1I1i21AbCkHwARSDyeTD1_D_Z4PRG..KrWZ1_Bka9fE2c.o05GL6iO_sZxB7gky9FAmjNbM7n4mWtdDva4V.utztMew85OMZFuTv59ZRkbtqiIfHWj60K.5j2pYad7ffsmdugXKxP3z39WdYolZ_1nBiQwklU6wItLmjOqFXmetxJVeJbeXXKl5TkuuPufC90YuXsSiSZnHtfuKV5qyV4cfqFgXLHZ4qboLcTnpidy2fgviNX37La5hknzybUSjzYJBgHlBYOyhNPvZm24Igyta6olXmbxVH7FWjs2ywPRmMU84pZEClyq7O6mEszd X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <434E6E4F7AC64D8B995F684D832555DA@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <1MTixd-0cGXyK0@fwd00.t-online.de> <4A687388.4050801@usa.net> <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1MU4lz-1dRfeq0@fwd10.t-online.de> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 00:23:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Ha-Jo, LF Group, The beauty of a large wire loop of several m^2 is that a high signal level is produced, making tuning and matching non-critical, and so it is a very simple and versatile antenna which works well over a wide frequency range. My version of an outdoor wire loop tunable in the shack was the "Lazy loop" - see http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm When you are trying to make a much smaller loop with essentially the same performance, design is more critical due to the lower signal power available from the loop, so the technical details need to be studied, and the solution has to be more closely defined. But the end result is still simple - a single turn loop, a transformer, a preamp. In the case of the bandpass loops, a few inductors and capacitors do impedance matching and define the passband. It is worth going to this trouble, because a compact, portable, easily rotated loop that does the same job as a much bigger antenna is a useful thing to have. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:20 PM Subject: Re: LF: Loop discussion > Dear James and Alberto, > > I must confess that my considerations were much simpler. I wanted to > find a solution for an outside wire (normal litz wire for electric home > wiring) loop for broadband reception and to transfer its received energy > into the shack via a cable. Especially at VLF to MF cable losses are > rather low. Furthermore I wanted to locate all electronic equipment in > the shack only, no remote controls or similars. My solution is simple > and is working according to my expectations. > > 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB