Return-Path: Received: (qmail 95754 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2004 13:02:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Dec 2004 13:02:59 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CdTQW-000Lg3-9o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:06:17 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CdTQV-000Lft-Va for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:06:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CdTNK-000K6T-4V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:02:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CdTMI-0005Lc-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:01:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CdTMH-0005LT-Sn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:01:53 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CdTME-0004eT-5e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:01:53 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CdTM7-0005ce-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:01:43 +0100 Received: from p509051a0.dip.t-dialin.net ([80.144.81.160] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 #13) id 1CdTM6-0004Ug-Sq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:01:43 +0100 Message-ID: <41BC4158.9080808@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:02:16 +0100 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <82.1d33c60e.2eec2207@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <82.1d33c60e.2eec2207@aol.com> X-Warning: freenet.de is listed at abuse.rfc-ignorant.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_NJABL=0.1,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: Re: LF: Frequency errors on PSK31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hello David and group, In all PSK31 demodulators / decoders I know, the bit error rate increases gently with increasing frequency and/or symbol rate error. Talking about "digimode" beacons... Do you use a DDS for the frequency generation, and -if so- does the DDS have TWO frequency registers which can be toggled via control pin (some chips have this option) ? If so, it would be great to have a low-symbol-rate MSK test signal on air... choice of symbol rate and codeset would be up to you. For simplicity, one could start with Peter's VARICODE without convolution. If you are interested in MSK, I can send more information to you (too early to put everything online yet). When comparing PSK31 and PSK08 recently, the PSK08 signal gave perfect copy even when it was not audible with 100-Hz audio bandwidth, where PSK31 only gave faint traces on the spectrogram. So simply dividing all clock by 4 in your PIC firmware may be worth considering. A suitable decoder for PSK08 is available in SpecLab since a few years, it has been slightly optimized for lower symbol rates recently with an optimized set of coefficients in the FIR filters (see http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html ) . Of course, the frequency error tolerance in PSK08 is only 1/4th of the PSK31 value, something to be aware of. Best regards, 73 Wolf DL4YHF (back to DF0WD now, hpe cul).