Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98091 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2004 15:25:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Nov 2004 15:25:38 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CXLnK-000CGS-Kb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:44:33 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CXLnJ-000CGA-4F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:44:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CXLUx-00095D-RS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:25:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CXLUA-0004ot-6U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:24:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CXLU9-0004ok-Pu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:24:41 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CXLU5-0000Zy-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:24:41 +0000 Received: from cmsout03 (cmsout03 [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276E98D for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:24:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout03 via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.16w); Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:24:26 GMT X-USANET-From: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.41.143.220] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 320ikyPyy0014M29; Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:24:24 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.143.220 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <41A5F930.6070602@usa.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 16:24:32 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <100.74d81f6.2ed6257b@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <100.74d81f6.2ed6257b@aol.com> X-USANET-MsgId: XID320ikyPyy0014X29 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.212.64.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of usa.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: LF: Re: Linear amplifiers , MSK, and 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) smoqus@plusnet.pl wrote: > But this must reduce the possible throughput - you throw away some bit combinations > (in a way similar to Compact Disc 8 to 14 bits coding). Undoubtedly Marek, any Error Correcting Code requires the sacrifice of some bandwidth to do its magic. And while this is not strictly an ECC, there is notwithstanding a price to pay... DL4YHF@aol.com wrote: > Hi Alberto, > > Will one of the big "pro's" of COFDM -its immunity to multipath and > "reflections"- really so important on LF with a very low symbol rate ? > - well this is just an initial thought, I don't really know much about > COFDM except that it is used in DVB-T (which we don't have in this > underdeveloped part of DL yet, hi). Hi Wolf, what I had in mind was to use the multiple, orthogonal signalling frequencies not for their multipath rejection characteristics, but to implement a sort of redundant signalling scheme, where you could have one, two, three or more slots ruined by QRM (Loran comes to mind) and nevertheless have a correct copy, thanks to the error correcting capabilities made possible by the redundancy in the coding scheme. Probably this is not orthodox COFDM, but I don't have a better name for it. But these are just the kind of thoughts you have when you relax and close your eyes. All the gory details have to be worked out yet. 73 Alberto I2PHD