Return-Path: Received: (qmail 93151 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2004 16:27:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 16:27:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bolr5-000Ejh-Qt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:28:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bolr5-000EjN-JX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:28:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bolq3-000Efe-0f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:27:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BolpF-00020e-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:26:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BolpF-00020V-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:26:13 +0100 Received: from cmsrelay01.mx.net ([165.212.11.110]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BolpB-0007Qs-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:26:13 +0100 Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.129) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 25 Jul 2004 16:26:01 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.41.143.165] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.13N) with ESMTP id 050igyqZ80123M29; Sun, 25 Jul 2004 16:26:00 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.143.165 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <4103DF29.5040400@usa.net> Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:26:17 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000601c47232$4896f340$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <000601c47232$4896f340$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FAKE_HELO_USA_NET=2.8,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111,SARE_FREE_WEBM_Usa=0.077 Subject: LF: Re: Loops v Verticals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Walter Staubach wrote: >Hallo Bryan, Alberto and All, > let me tell my own experience with an E/H-antenna. >[...] >Results, receiving: The signals are in general 2 to 3 S-stages lower than >from the dipole. > Walter, thanks for sharing your tests. Your results are in remarkable agreement with those performed by other independent hams, who report abt 18 - 20 dB of loss wrt a full size dipole. Yes, you are right, the wonder-antenna is not yet at the horizon... 73 Alberto I2PHD