Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3301 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2004 14:49:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 14:49:35 -0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bo1NF-000MuH-5n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:50:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1Bo1Mb-000Mbb-CO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bo1M5-0005XL-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:49:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bo1M5-0005XC-5G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:49:01 +0100 Received: from cmsrelay02.mx.net ([165.212.11.111]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Bo1M1-0006yc-7v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:49:01 +0100 Received: from uadvg128.cms.usa.net (165.212.11.128) by cmsoutbound.mx.net with SMTP; 23 Jul 2004 14:48:50 -0000 Received: from usa.net [151.41.154.152] by uadvg128.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.13N) with ESMTP id 249igwoWv0018M28; Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:48:48 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.41.154.152 AUTH dibene@usa.net usa.net Message-ID: <4101255E.5040804@usa.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:49:02 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <01C470B0.228BAA70.actalbot@southsurf.com> <41010FB4.7010207@usa.net> <000b01c470bd$80166e20$75540150@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <000b01c470bd$80166e20$75540150@captbrian> X-Spam-Score: 3.0 (+++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FAKE_HELO_USA_NET=2.8,RATWR10_MESSID=0.111,SARE_FREE_WEBM_Usa=0.077 Subject: LF: Re: Loops v Verticals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.8 required=5.0 tests=FAKE_HELO_USA_NET autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) captbrian wrote: >I disagree. To the best of my knowledge the E-H antennas never demonstrated >anything more than one would expect from what they were.; ie short >antennas with inductive centre loading and capacitative end loading .. > >They fitted normal theory quite well as did the ephemeral "fractal" antenna. > >Bryan G3GVB > > Bryan, we do completely agree. But the point is that the EH-antenna priests have a different point of view. They claim that their toy is a breakthrough in the electromagnetic theories. According to them the classical theory (Maxwell's) cannot explain the PVS (Poynting Vector Synthesis), which, still according to them, is the reason why the EH-antenna works. So they claim for a revision of the classical theory. Now this claim is founded on the experimental evidence that, somehow, the EH-antenna seems to radiate. Hence, from the fact that experiment apparently is not in complete accord with theory, they want to change the theory. What they fail to understand (in good faith or for more venal reasons...) is that the error is in the experiment, as what radiates in their tests is the feeder line, as shown by other tests performed by open-minded persons, not adepts of the EH religion. 73 Alberto I2PHD