Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id DE90A38000086; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1TzX3S-0007GI-7S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:34:10 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1TzX3R-0007G9-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:34:09 +0000 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1TzX3N-00011D-Tv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:34:07 +0000 Received: from mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.131]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3E3B51C000079 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Black (188-194-147-156-dynip.superkabel.de [188.194.147.156]) by mtaout-da03.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 21590E0000F0 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:33:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <40EFF4C7968541EB97718BF8D98A56E9@Black> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <864CD011404848229DCA5BB524F5BFCA@Black> <03229F4C768F449AB4435A033DE9EB4A@SV8CSHP> <001f01cdfc93$02a12640$6401a8c0@JAYDELL> <51055378.1060708@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <002101cdfcb0$6eb82d20$6401a8c0@JAYDELL> In-Reply-To: <002101cdfcb0$6eb82d20$6401a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:33:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16669 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1359311624; bh=xYEjc6MiRcWUKjlLa/6ir4zum0kxf/xJPES3DIwPN2Y=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=hu+N3DmNxtCzkhzM8DEIO8fs7GrkBmm2pwQUjXUpH+4/JdtTe/2ltfEdFGV9UdxZB P6oYjjVKSbJ3elJ+P8eOm34ygWHOE0n1Cn16tFdrZEfx8vU48ivW5tNikcKgoZOZ7y ZVqVX67YE1kzZ5XuxgdOO0UUogDJkModjMvGJ09I= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:439416768:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Jay, Stefan, nice work! Up to -17 dB SNR is really not bad, should be 21 dB above the threshold. The wee hours would have been a good opportunity for us weaker ones to make it across! Oh well... Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) [...] Content analysis details: (-0.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [64.12.100.31 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (markusvester[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: 4220a5ee914f949f13cd1b56700aea33 Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 T/A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CDFCC5.31F948F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mtain-mj01.r1000.mx.aol.com ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d7b955105736671af X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CDFCC5.31F948F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay, Stefan, nice work! Up to -17 dB SNR is really not bad, should be 21 dB above the = threshold. The wee hours would have been a good opportunity for us = weaker ones to make it across! Oh well...=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jrusgrove@comcast.net=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 T/A >9 UTC was my last transmission Too bad there wasn't one or two more. >Jay, didn't you say that there is no chance for the TA path when DST = levels are below -20 nT? Don't think I said 'no chance' ... just that conditions deteriorate = below that level. Don't forget that this time of year we have a number = of extra dB headroom (or maybe footroom) since background noise is lower = enhancing s/n. Whatever happened yesterday was a small event of very = short duration with DST only momentarily hitting -40 nT and recovery = beginning immediately thereafter. The plot we refer to is only a real = time 'prediction' and the final results may turn out to be different. As = Alan might quip, what we saw yesterday might have only been a ripple in = the jello ;~) Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stefan Sch=E4fer=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:19 AM Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 T/A Hi Jay,=20 Thanks.=20 9 UTC was my last transmission! Last night as i looked to the DST = levels i didn't expect much over the TA path. But somehow it seems that = the conds have been improved to longer times in the morning. -32 dB at 9 = UTC is quite impressing/interesting.=20 Any explanations from the experts? Jay, didn't you say that there is = no chance for the TA path when DST levels are below -20 nT? Nice band!=20 73, cul, Stefan Am 27.01.2013 14:34, schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net:=20 Stefan & T/A enthusiasts Interesting ... 9-1/2 hours of uninterrupted copy this end. Also = interesting is that decodes continued to 0900Z (latest I've seen) ... = with Stefan's sunrise 0703Z I believe. DST started the evening at -40 nT = but has improved to -25 nT currently. =20 2013-01-27 09:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -32 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 08:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -34 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 08:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -34 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 07:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -29 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 07:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -23 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 06:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -20 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 06:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -17 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 05:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -18 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 05:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -21 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 04:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -21 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 04:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -17 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 03:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -18 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 03:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -19 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 02:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -27 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 02:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -24 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 01:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -32 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 01:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -28 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 00:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -32 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-27 00:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -26 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-26 23:30 DK7FC 0.137615 -30 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295 2013-01-26 22:00 DK7FC 0.137615 -33 0 JN49ik 1 WD2XNS FN31ls = 6099 295=20 Similar results the other direction with G8HUH having solid copy = over a number of hours ... with last decode at 0845Z. 2013-01-27 08:45 WD2XNS 0.137613 -33 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 08:15 WD2XNS 0.137613 -36 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 07:45 WD2XNS 0.137613 -29 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 07:15 WD2XNS 0.137613 -28 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 06:45 WD2XNS 0.137613 -30 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 06:15 WD2XNS 0.137613 -25 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 05:45 WD2XNS 0.137613 -27 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 05:15 WD2XNS 0.137613 -30 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 04:45 WD2XNS 0.137613 -35 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 2013-01-27 04:15 WD2XNS 0.137613 -33 0 FN31ls 1 G8HUH IO81mg = 5255 53 Thanks also to Hartmut for his spots ... and on advise for frequency = change to avoid loran lines. 2013-01-27 06:15 WD2XNS 0.137612 -37 0 FN31ls 1 DL-SWL = JO52hp 6070 48 2013-01-27 05:45 WD2XNS 0.137612 -35 0 FN31ls 1 DL-SWL = JO52hp 6070 48 2013-01-27 00:45 WD2XNS 0.137612 -35 0 FN31ls 1 DL-SWL = JO52hp 6070 48 2013-01-27 00:15 WD2XNS 0.137612 -36 0 FN31ls 1 DL-SWL = JO52hp 6070 48=20 Would like to know details of G8HUH receiving setup.=20 Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CDFCC5.31F948F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jay, Stefan,
 
nice work! Up to -17 dB = SNR is=20 really not bad, should be 21 dB above the threshold. The wee hours = would=20 have been a good opportunity for us weaker ones to make = it=20 across! Oh well...
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
----- Original Message -----=20
From: jrusgrove@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 T/A

>9 UTC was=20 my last transmission
 
Too bad there wasn't one or two = more.
 
>Jay, didn't=20 you say that there is no chance for the TA path when DST levels are = below -20=20 nT?
 
Don't think I said 'no chance' ... just = that conditions deteriorate below that level. Don't = forget that=20 this time of year we have a number of extra dB headroom (or maybe = footroom)=20 since background noise is lower enhancing s/n. Whatever = happened=20 yesterday was a small event of very short duration with DST only = momentarily=20 hitting -40 nT and recovery beginning immediately thereafter. The plot = we refer=20 to is only a real time 'prediction' and the final = results may turn out=20 to be different. As Alan might quip, what we saw yesterday might = have only=20 been a ripple in the jello ;~)
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2       
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Stefan = Sch=E4fer
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 = 11:19=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR-15 = T/A

Hi Jay, =

Thanks.=20
9 UTC was my last transmission! Last night as i looked to the DST = levels i=20 didn't expect much over the TA path. But somehow it seems that the = conds have=20 been improved to longer times in the morning. -32 dB at 9 UTC is quite = impressing/interesting.
Any explanations from the experts? Jay, = didn't you=20 say that there is no chance for the TA path when DST levels are below = -20=20 nT?
Nice band!

73, cul, Stefan


Am 27.01.2013 = 14:34,=20 schrieb jrusgrove@comcast.net:=20
Stefan & T/A enthusiasts
 
Interesting ... 9-1/2 hours of uninterrupted copy this = end. Also=20 interesting is that decodes continued to 0900Z (latest I've seen)=20 ... with Stefan's sunrise 0703Z I believe. DST started the = evening=20 at -40 nT but has improved to -25 nT currently.=20     
 
2013-01-27=20 = 09:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -32  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 08:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -34  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 08:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -34  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 07:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -29  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 07:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -23  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 06:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -20  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 06:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -17  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 05:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -18  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 05:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -21  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 04:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -21  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 04:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -17  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 03:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -18  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 03:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -19  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 02:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -27  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 02:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -24  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 01:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -32  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 01:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -28  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 00:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -32  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-27=20 = 00:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -26  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-26=20 = 23:30  DK7FC  0.137615  -30  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295
2013-01-26=20 = 22:00  DK7FC  0.137615  -33  0&nb= sp; JN49ik  1  WD2XNS  FN31ls &nb= sp;6099  295 
 
Similar results the other direction with G8HUH having solid = copy over a=20 number of hours ... with last decode at 0845Z.
 
2013-01-27=20 = 08:45  WD2XNS  0.137613  -33  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 08:15  WD2XNS  0.137613  -36  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 07:45  WD2XNS  0.137613  -29  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 07:15  WD2XNS  0.137613  -28  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 06:45  WD2XNS  0.137613  -30  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 06:15  WD2XNS  0.137613  -25  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 05:45  WD2XNS  0.137613  -27  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 05:15  WD2XNS  0.137613  -30  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 04:45  WD2XNS  0.137613  -35  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
2013-01-27=20 = 04:15  WD2XNS  0.137613  -33  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  G8HUH  IO81mg &nb= sp;5255  53
 
Thanks also to Hartmut for his spots ... and on advise for = frequency=20 change to avoid loran lines.
 
2013-01-27=20 = 06:15  WD2XNS  0.137612  -37  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  DL-SWL  JO52hp &n= bsp;6070  48
2013-01-27=20 = 05:45  WD2XNS  0.137612  -35  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  DL-SWL  JO52hp &n= bsp;6070  48
2013-01-27=20 = 00:45  WD2XNS  0.137612  -35  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  DL-SWL  JO52hp &n= bsp;6070  48
2013-01-27=20 = 00:15  WD2XNS  0.137612  -36  0&n= bsp; FN31ls  1  DL-SWL  JO52hp &n= bsp;6070  48 
 
Would like to know details of G8HUH receiving = setup. 
 
Jay W1VD  WD2XNS =20 WE2XGR/2
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