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GL and hny Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Gesendet: 31.12.2013 13:20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H [...] Content analysis details: (-0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [194.25.41.13 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: db89fd1a270fa986c275211b5eb263bb Subject: Re: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----EDDA4D2C1FED46AA87E77AA833AE7087" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3499 ------EDDA4D2C1FED46AA87E77AA833AE7087 Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Wolf, hoping you will have success=2E I think it all depends on usisng a good (resonant?) aerial=2E GL and hny Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 31=2E12=2E2013 13:20 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H Hello Uwe, At least, the dominant peak in the 'long-term' average spectrum (colle= cted between last midnight and this morning) was right on spot, precise= ly on your frequency=2E I was using GBZ as frequency reference on the n= etbook=2E Will leave it running until next year=2E=2E Thanks and GL, =A0 Wolf =2E Am 31=2E12=2E2013 13:07, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede: Hi Peter, Graham and Markus,=20 when Im really dreaming the Fade becomes zero=2E Pse see: =20 http://dj8wx-dl=2Ede/opera5=2Ejpg =20 the TX is still on the air=2E =A0Pse try your best, =20 GL and hny =20 Uwe/dj8wx=20 Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 31=2E12=2E2013 11:43 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H Unfortunately no copy from Uwe, here in JO42FD using the broadband VLF = E-field receiver at DF0WD and 0=2E5 mHz FFT bin width=2E=2E Hny and cul, =A0 Wolf=2E Am 31=2E12=2E2013 10:18, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter: Uwe,=20 This message (below)=A0came in my mail box=A0at 08:42 UTC today (31-Dec= -13)=20 73's Peter=2E=2E=20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 2:46 PM=20 Subject: Re: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H=20 HI Peter,=20 I changed the TX QRG to 8912=2E5Hz running SpecLab in Op-4H (ASK0) mode= and made a first test with positive result=2E =20 the RX was located in 3km distance - Opera v=2E1=2E5=2E0 , RX aerial a = 10m wire connected to the soundcard=2E =A0=A0=20 TX output pwr about 1W=2E =A0pse see:=20 http://dj8wx-dl=2Ede/opera3=2Ejpg =20 I think we should have a try as you are my nearest station rxing VLF=2E= =20 Now Im increasing the PA output pwr to 500Wrms=2E =20 GL =20 Uwe/dj8wx =A0=20 Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 29=2E12=2E2013 09:45 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H Hello Uwe, Markus, VLF=20 Nothing was seen or detected here from your transmission in=A0OPERA mod= e either=2E=2E=20 No recognizable=A0trace at all=2E=20 While you're=A0continuous unmodulated signal almost overloads my soundc= ard input=2E=20 73's Peter - PA1SDB=20 ----- Original Message ----- =20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:08 PM=20 Subject: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H=20 yes Markus, I have had the screen showing the SecLab components in my = focus whilst doing =A0other jobs - for hours=2E=20 Now the carrier only mode is on the air=2E =20 Until next test =20 GL=20 Uwe/dj8wx=20 Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E12=2E2013 19:07 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H Uwe,=20 sorry, nothing was seen or detected here from your transmission today=2E= =A0Not a trace=2E Der erste Versuch ist meist nicht genuch=A0(Didi Drah= tlos)=2E=A0=20 Yes I noticed the good trace on Paul Nicholson's spectrogram http://abe= lian=2Eorg/vlf/fbins=2Eshtml#p=3D1388246400&b=3D080&s=3Dsp=2E Just look= at it the other way round: You did send a long carrier, only with some= short interruptions=2E=A0But the gaps were so short that the spectrum = didn't notice them ;-)=A0=20 More seriously: Compared to a continuous carrier, with 50% duty cycle t= he carrier component is still there but 6 db down (half average voltage= )=2E In terms of power, on average you are spending 50% of the power=2E= =A025%=A0(-6 dB) goes to=A0the central carrier, and the other 25% into = the AM sidebands carrying the message=2E=A0=A0=A0=A0=20 What I find=A0strange is that=A0the spectrogram trace=A0seems to have j= umped=A028 mHz low,=A0once near=A0the beginning and again for an hour a= round 14:30=2E=A0Are you sure that your samplerate correction had=A0bee= n engaged without interruption?=20 Best 73,=20 Markus (DF6NM)=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 3:05 PM=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Subject: Re: Re: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab =20 OK=2E, Markus, but the Todmorden grabber shows the signs=2Eits a surpri= se for me=2E I didnt expect it samples such relative short signs=2E GL Uwe/dj8wx tks for the correction=2E Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Gesendet: 28=2E12=2E2013 12:47 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg Betreff: Re: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab Uwe,=20 good=A0news! I'm watching and searching=A0;-)=A0=20 Background noise seems to be a few dB higher than=A0the last couple of = days, but we'll see what's possible anyway=2E Unfortunately the OK2BVG = grabber website appears to be down at the moment=2E=20 Good luck!=20 73, Markus (DF6NM)=20 PS: In my original mail, the Op-8 line=A0in the speed table=A0erroneous= ly contained an=A0entry for Op-4=2E This=A0has been corrected beneath=2E= =A0=A0=20 From: uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede =20 Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:14 PM=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg =20 Subject: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab =20 Hi all, the PA has been switched on=2E the next txt block will start now=2E GL Uwe/dj8wx Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2E=2Eorg Gesendet: 27=2E12=2E2013 15:47 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2E=2Eorg Betreff: Re: Re: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab Hi Markus, Wolf, Stefan, Peter es all, tks for the advice, Markus =20 now SpecLab is beaconing in mode Op-4H on 8969=2E99Hz the PA is off until it is dry outside=2E =20 I keep your proposal =A0txing btwn 0700 and 1400MEZ in mind, Markus=2E=20 GL =20 Uwe/dj8wx/dj8CAT ------EDDA4D2C1FED46AA87E77AA833AE7087 Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Wolf,
hoping you will have success=2E
I think it all depends on usisng a good (resonant?) aerial=2E
GL and hny
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 31=2E12=2E2013 13:20
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H

Hello Uwe,

At least, the dominant peak in the 'long-term' average spectrum (collected between last midnight and this morning) was right on spot, precisely on your frequency=2E I was using GBZ as frequency reference on the netbook=2E
Will leave it running until next year=2E=2E

Thanks and GL,
  Wolf =2E

Am 31=2E12=2E2013 13:07, schrieb uwe-jannsen@kabelmail=2Ede:

Hi Peter, Graham and Markus,

when Im really dreaming the Fade becomes zero=2E Pse see:

http://dj8wx-dl=2Ede/opera5=2Ejpg

the TX is still on the air=2E  Pse try your best,

GL and hny

Uwe/dj8wx


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 31=2E12=2E2013 11:43
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H

Unfortunately no copy from Uwe, here in JO42FD using the broadband VLF E-field receiver at DF0WD and 0=2E5 mHz FFT bin width=2E=2E

Hny and cul,
  Wolf=2E

Am 31=2E12=2E2013 10:18, schrieb PA1SDB, Peter:
Uwe,
This message (below) came in my mail box at 08:42 UTC today (31-Dec-13)
 
73's Peter=2E=2E
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H

HI Peter,

I changed the TX QRG to 8912=2E5Hz running SpecLab in Op-4H (ASK0) mode and made a first test with positive result=2E

the RX was located in 3km distance - Opera v=2E1=2E5=2E0 , RX aerial a 10m wire connected to the soundcard=2E   <= /p>

TX output pwr about 1W=2E  pse see:

http://dj8wx-dl=2Ede/opera3=2Ejpg

I think we should have a try as you are my nearest station rxing VLF=2E

Now Im increasing the PA output pwr to 500Wrms=2E

GL

Uwe/dj8wx  


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2E= org
Gesendet: 29=2E12=2E2013 09:45
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eo= rg
Betreff: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H

Hello Uwe, Markus, VLF
 
Nothing was seen or detected here from your transmission in OPERA mode either=2E=2E
No recognizable trace at all=2E
While you're continuous unmodulated signal almost overloads my soundcard input=2E
 
73's Peter - PA1SDB
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H


yes Markus, I have had the screen showing the SecLab components in my focus whilst doing  other jobs - for hours=2E

Now the carrier only mode is on the air=2E

Until next test

GL

Uwe/dj8wx


Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E12=2E2013 19:07
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: VLF: Uwe Opera-4H

Uwe,
 =
sorry, nothing was seen or detected here from your transmission today=2E Not a trace=2E Der erste Versuch ist meist nicht genuch (Didi Drahtlos)=2E 
 =
Yes I noticed the good trace on Paul Nicholson's spectrogram http://abelian= =2Eorg/vlf/fbins=2Eshtml#p=3D1388246400&b=3D080&s=3Dsp=2E Just look at it the other way round: You did send a long carrier, only with some short interruptions=2E But the gaps were so short that the spectrum didn't notice them ;-) 
 =
More seriously: = Compared to a continuous carrier, wi= th 50% duty cycle the carrier component is still there but 6 db down (half average voltage)=2E In terms of power, on average you are spending 50% of the power=2E 25% (-6 dB) goes to the central carrier, and the other 25% into the AM sidebands carrying the message=2E    =
 =
What I find strange is that the spectrogram trace seems to have jumped 28 mHz low, once near the beginning and again for an hour around 14:30=2E Are you sure that your samplerate correction had been engaged without interruption?
 =
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 =
=
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab

OK=2E, Markus, but the Todmorden grabber shows the signs=2Eits a surprise for me=2E I didnt expect it samples such relative short signs=2E
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
tks for the correction=2E
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Gesendet: 28=2E12=2E2013 12:47
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab

Uwe,
 =
good new= s! I'm watching and searching ;-) 
 =
Background noise seems to be a few dB higher than the last couple of days, but we'll see what's possible anyway=2E U= nfortunately the OK2BVG grabber website appears to be down at the moment=2E
 =
Good luck!
 =
73, Markus (DF6NM)
 =
PS: In my original mail, the Op-8 line in the speed table erroneously contained an entry for Op-4=2E This has been corrected beneath=2E  
 =
=
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab

Hi all,
the PA has been switched on=2E the next txt block will start now=2E
GL
Uwe/dj8wx
Von: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2E=2Eorg
Gesendet: 27=2E12=2E2013 15:47
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep=2E=2Eorg
Betreff: Re: Re: LF: Sending Opera with SpecLab

Hi Markus, Wolf, Stefan, Peter es all,

tks for the advice, Markus

now SpecLab is beaconing in mode Op-4H on 8969=2E99Hz

the PA is off until it is dry outside=2E

I keep your proposal  txing btwn 0700 and 1400MEZ in mind, Markus=2E

GL

Uwe/dj8wx/dj8CAT

 



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