Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21359 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 10:22:30 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 17 May 2002 10:22:30 -0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11063 invoked from network); 17 May 2002 10:22:19 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 17 May 2002 10:22:19 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 178eo5-0002L8-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:17:53 +0100 Received: from paris.akorn.net ([216.1.128.10]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 178eo4-0002L3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 May 2002 11:17:52 +0100 Received: from w8ji (216-1-128-32.akorn.net [216.1.128.32]) by paris.akorn.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g4HAHmr14061; Fri, 17 May 2002 06:17:48 -0400 From: "Tom Rauch" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@mailman.qth.net Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:17:27 -0400 Subject: LF: Re: [Lowfer] RE: litz wire Message-ID: <3CE4A077.13487.FF65012@localhost> In-reply-to: <20020514235019.73703.qmail@web13306.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.01) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit > Hi Bill & Group, > > I believe why Litz wire has such a low AC resistance > is because each strand is insulated and when soldered > together you get the parallel resistance of each of > the strand of insulated wire. With uninsulated, > stranded wire you may have the same current carrying > capacitiy but you more than likely have a higher > resistance because all the strands are in contact with > one another & the current path will be through all the > contacts that offer the least resistance but better > than solid wire because of the increase perimeter > length. I'm a little surprised the measured conductor resistance a loop was significantly reduced with Litz wire compared to solid wire with the same size and same insulation. Litz wire *sometimes* offers higher Q in multilayer coils because it reduces eddy currents in the wire as flux from adjacent turns cut the cross section of the wire. I have an engineering text that goes into details about Litz wire. It states that Litz wire reduces eddy currents when significant flux cuts the cross-section of a wire. Of course eddy currents would be reduced at the expense of increased unit resistance for a given physical conductor size, since some current carrying conductor area is replaced with insulation. Litz wire can also increase dielectric losses, but any change in dielectrics where the electric field between conductors is very intense can do that. It depends on the insulation used in the non- Litz wire, and the insulation used in the Litz wire. I believe the textbook description I have is correct, because I've measured Q of hundreds of inductors and have sometimes found Litz wire an improvement in ~ 50-500kHz systems using multilayer coils or transformers (like switching supplies operating in the 100kHz range, using transformers with large high-current conductors). On the other hand, I've *never* measured a case where it improved Q or reduced losses in solenoid or single conductor applications at any frequency. It has actually caused problems above 1MHz when used in high current leads (that had to be flexed, so I thought Litz wire was a good choice).73, Tom W8JI W8JI@contesting.com