Return-Path: Received: from rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (rly-mb09.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.167]) by air-mb08.mail.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILINMB084-d254aa192be149; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:20:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mb09.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMB091-d254aa192be149; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:20:48 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Mjh84-0003nq-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:19:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Mjh84-0003nh-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:19:36 +0100 Received: from smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([77.238.189.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Mjh78-0001mW-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:18:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 51583 invoked from network); 4 Sep 2009 22:19:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Vaun1cZyU+Pox2k0Osli1Yne4tQ4yNrcBkdLaCYdmV1oAgH43SAmYaTvMQwmNbQhnsK9NzVHEgIXWtfg1CUDGtksNLTZ4xGhiA/+XtA97qT9kZO5r2lXP1hwJNdnqk3a9ArVd5Cj5w83O5/vi8vqiIi08MUTTorhn+n2+MIQ52g= ; Received: from unknown (HELO JimPC) (james.moritz@86.177.108.28 with login) by smtp817.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Sep 2009 22:19:22 -0000 X-Yahoo-SMTP: qKIhhNCswBB2TTHr2BORWcGGR2mpopxhCcunGIxpCKQYiG07Q7UOhNo- X-YMail-OSG: kCL7lQcVM1kBNdraljyD2WgPfhxt3idi26.ejte44YxCN5LcCeRXFozmN8g2HlArs30q2W_HMxIIjBPCG7ZgZ8k2k6LdRRnp3vtPSz7qJFaYUJ4.JNK7hHz6YX8b5dEiirIgFIHuS.Dlo.bnj3Np0zM.Pj7T_SGd1UnANS5CMVA7ar4rQ5SzRVbcsOAoBwJ3T4aejOr.tEuvOuo2IMeRZsJPakJ2Le8Lfs.RWtGtSfM- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <3CE44BEDA29B4C67856F764977DCAA92@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <9afca2640908261406r3ced27fr31bbca942848a291@mail.gmail.com> <005701ca2707$438a4570$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908270502q3136dd1cjf52d2666eedeed94@mail.gmail.com> <009c01ca2731$2d5e0e60$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <9afca2640908271133v7eea7f18r7855a822514399a4@mail.gmail.com> <847F3A04E31C413A81AD022BDC11AD46@JimPC> <5CA746FC83614040A4C4D8B6F9F2519E@NIS942960248> <200909041044070836.0E08CA55@smtp2.numeo.fr> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 23:19:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Low frequency preselectors? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-15"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Dear Jordan, Roelof, LF Group, I have used a very similar circuit to the one in Roelof's schematic for some time (it is in the RSGB's "Radio communication handbook", and "LF Today"- I should declare an interest as a co-author of these). With slight modifications it can be quite versatile. In my version, the input RF gain pot is omitted, and the antenna is connected direct to the tuning inductor. Gain is adjusted by a shunt capacitor between the antenna and ground, which ranges between several 100pF for a short wire to several nF for bigger antennas, making the input circuit into a pi network. Generally the same shunt capacitance is satisfactory over the whole tuning range. The shunt capacitor can be partly or wholly made up of the capacitance of a coax feeder, so quite long feeders can be used, e.g. one leg of an existing HF dipole. Alternatively, the antenna can be a large wire loop (say 10m^2 or so), in which case the shunt capacitor is omitted - again, the antenna can be fed through quite long lengths of coax. Because the input tuner is essentially a low-pass filter circuit with a sharp peak in its response, it works well at rejecting the very local MW broadcasters here, although I have had problems with very small ferrite cored inductors saturating - using larger chokes, or series combinations of smaller values cured this. I have used it with inductors of up to 200mH, and 1000pF tuning capacitance, to tune to the bottom of the VLF range. The tuning is very sharp, but this is not a problem for receiving the narrow 136kHz and 500kHz amateur bands. The amplifier section in my version is similar, except instead of the 2N5109 I have used lower-frequency and cheaper transistors such as 2N3053, BD135, BFY51, etc, which work fine at these frequencies. The biasing in my circuit is a bit different - I have eliminated the 680R, 2k2, 10k, 470n and 47R coupling and bias components, and instead connected the source direct to the base, and a 100R resistor between base and emitter in a "bootstrapped" arrangement. This compound follower arrangement has been very useful as a high impedance, low noise buffer in several LF/MF applications. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU