Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10131 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:53:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:53:03 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 21003 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2002 13:53:04 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Feb 2002 13:53:04 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adIo-0000bA-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:58 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16adIn-0000b5-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:48:57 +0000 Received: from ldsas01-65-116-98.cw-visp.com ([212.137.116.98] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 16ad6h-00017E-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:36:28 +0000 Message-ID: <3C691C9E.61A8BCA1@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:46:06 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb rsgb" Subject: LF: LITZ WIRE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Rik gave a good description of Litz wire in a recent message and the hi Q qualities and theory is correct, however in practical terms it depends whether you really need a hi Q coil or not. My experience shows- 1. A loading coil used to resonate a 136 khz antenna using normal 2.5 mm insulated wire has a lower Q than Litz but more stable and less prone to seasonal changes like, rain, sunshine, leaves on or off trees, wind blowing the antenna wires about etc ie needs no retuning once set up for optimum matching for a long period of time. 2. A loading coil of the same inductance wound with 4mm litz wire behaves differently. Because of the much higher Q the slightest breeze or some rain and it needs retuning to resonance, also sudden fluctuations are not good for the FET pa. It needs to be watched carefully. So it depends whether you want the last drop of RF and hi Q or a fraction less RF and less trouble. I cannot notice any real difference as regards radiating efficiency between the two coils. Anyone using 160 metres /M with the usual 8 ft loaded whip will have noticed this when passing close to other vehicles or close to trees etc and the higher the coil Q the worse it got. I am currently experimenting with a 0.4 mh litz wound coil to resonate my LF antenna and find it hard to keep spot on resonance with the recent windy conditions. I did not have any problems in similar wx conditions using 2.5mm insulated wire for the coil of the same inductance. My system is all matched to 50 ohms and the swr monitored continuously when transmitting so any fluctuations or changes are immediately noticed. I thing a loop antenna wound with litz wire and exposed to the elements would be even harder to keep resonant because of the Q factor. It would be interesting to hear others observations about Litz v Normal insulated wire for outside resonating coils. 73 de Mal/G3KEV