Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4416 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 13:51:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 13:51:50 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 11334 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2002 13:51:49 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Jan 2002 13:51:49 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16TkFe-0005HS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:49:14 +0000 Received: from europa.your-site.com ([140.186.45.14]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16TkFd-0005HM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:49:13 +0000 Received: from att.net ([166.82.180.100]) by europa.your-site.com ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:48:22 -0500 Message-ID: <3C5010A1.FA2F482C@att.net> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:48:17 +0000 From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Jason Tests References: <5.1.0.14.0.20020123175959.00ac4190@gemini.herts.ac.uk> <5.1.0.14.0.20020124114059.00a7a518@gemini.herts.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: James Moritz wrote: > > BTW, does anyone know how to compare the weak signal performance of Jason > and QRSS or DFCW? It seems clear that the increased bandwidth must result > in some loss of SNR, but there will also be gains because the data is being > transmitted faster for a given dot length. > > Jim, I did look for your 135.990 transmission last night. I saw nothing but didn't expect to. There were heavy thunderstorms in the mid US and another small group to my SE wiped out LF reception for me. Lyle, KØLR, made some test comparing JASON with other modes. Here is his initial results: >>>>>>>>>> I was trying to compare Jason and WOLF, using the same old noise recording that was the "standard" for comparisons of other weak-signal modes a while back. In those tests, 12 WPM CW was good down to about -18 dB and QRSS3 was good maybe to -27 dB. In today's tests, WOLF produced solid copy after 288 seconds at -35 dB. Jason seemed to be erratic at any signal level, so I knew something was wrong with my receiving setup. Turns out that my Pentium 233 MHz "ham" computer requires the slow mode setting (Jason won't run on my 900 MHz Pentium III). After switching to slow mode, it looked like Jason is farily solid down to -30 dB, and gives partial copy at -33 dB. Results could be completely different under other combinations of QRN and QRM. Anyway, with the right settings I might have had better results on your Jason signal. >>>>>>>>>> 73, Dexter