Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5092 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 13:58:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 13:58:32 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: (qmail 9941 invoked from network); 22 Jan 2002 13:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 Jan 2002 13:58:31 -0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16T1OD-00061E-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:55:05 +0000 Received: from mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk ([194.201.52.152]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16T1OB-000618-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:55:04 +0000 Received: from ldsas16-80-131-24.cw-visp.com ([212.137.131.24] helo=netscapeonline.co.uk) by mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 16T1CU-0001SV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:42:58 +0000 Message-ID: <3C4D6F11.C9F2AE13@netscapeonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:54:25 +0000 From: "gii3kev" Organization: Netscape Online member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Radiated power References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020122083729.00a60ec0@mail.pncl.co.uk> <011e01c1a333$8e661980$a70b97d4@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Johan Bodin wrote: > Walter, > > > Jim measured 50 uV/m so MM0ALM's radiated power must be 10 dB below 1 kW - > > 100 watts. > > I would say 20dB below 1kW - 10 watts. > > 10dB less illegal but still too much... Walter. If you are so desperate to shoot the other man down please try and get your facts right, this is not the first time you got muddled figures. I suggest with your calculation there could be the usual plus/minus 10 db tolerance, and therefore the person to whom you refer would be running the permitted power. I do think one should stick to the permitted power but all amateur bands must be considered and not just LF. Why single out LF ? The specification for the majority of RF amplifiers advertised are at least twice the permitted power. and the Decca is no exception 1.2 kw plus output into a reasonable antenna would exceed the 1W erp. If some are claiming to be running less ERP then the antennas and ground radial system must be so inefficient and hardly worth the effort. I would not like to make a judgement about anyone and their power because it is so difficult to be accurate at a distance, theory and practical can be miles apart. If it could be proved that some were running over the permitted power to obtain awards, they should be disqualified, and that applies to all amateur bands, not just LF. Some claiming awards in the past on LF seem to set lower standards than on other bands. A qso is allowed to take days and weeks to complete by joining bits and pieces heard/seen each day until a full callsign is put together. It has been proved lately that this is not necessary and a qso TA for instance can take place in a very short space of time eg minutes and possibly a couple of hours for the slower QRS speeds. As far as I and other DXers that I speak to privately are concerned this extended qso business is not acceptable for any award, however if a group of persons want to make private rules and award each other presents then so be it, as long as others know there is another side to the story. G3KEV > > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM